Ashes Discussion

[Big Del]

Lyon only got one more wicket than a rookie all rounder despite bowling 3x the overs

Lyon was fun for the memes but I’ve never been completely convinced he’s as good as people say he is.

I’m sure if you gave any other spinner the same amount of time and opportunity they’d achieve the same

His low run rate counts for a lot .
Keeps runs down while the quicks rotate .

But FFS sake learn to bowl outside off stump . 1 in 50 balls he threatens both edges , bowled , LBW or caught . The commentators jizz in their pants . And then back to scheduled programming .
And he aims at middle and spins it onto leg . WHY ???

 

[1910]

I reckon Neser deserves a chance before Richardson in Adelaide if one of our front line bowlers can’t play. He would be very handy with the pink ball and with the bat.

Neser has been mixed with the pink ball and is only coming back from injury. He was good in this game but unfortunately he has picked a terrible time to be injured and having a baby and missing games.

Neser was terrible against England under lights in 2020 but better against Pakistan.

England 0/108
Pakistan 2/57 and 2/11

Richardson was great at the 'Gabba in his Test debut under lights and was swinging it late- 3/26 and 2/19.

He got 3/79 and 0/27 v Pakistan under lights too in 2019.

It's poor timing from Neser, like I said if 12 months ago he would have been all good to go.

Richardson also has outstanding Shield form, second most wickets and as I noted a few weeks ago at the Gabba he has put on weight and is bigger and stronger now. He's as right as you can get to play a Test.

 

[Sproj]

Neser has been mixed with the pink ball and is only coming back from injury. He was good in this game but unfortunately he has picked a terrible time to be injured and having a baby and missing games.

Neser was terrible against England under lights in 2020 but better against Pakistan.

England 0/108
Pakistan 2/57 and 2/11

Richardson was great at the 'Gabba in his Test debut under lights and was swinging it late- 3/26 and 2/19.

He got 3/79 and 0/27 v Pakistan under lights too in 2019.

It's poor timing from Neser, like I said if 12 months ago he would have been all good to go.

Richardson also has outstanding Shield form, second most wickets and as I noted a few weeks ago at the Gabba he has put on weight and is bigger and stronger now. He's as right as you can get to play a Test.

And his batting, which was already decent, has also improved. He is an out and out gun.

 

[1910]

And his batting, which was already decent, has also improved. He is an out and out gun.

Not really a factor he hasn’t improved enough to be better than Neser, Neser is a lot better batting. I’m only considering bowling.

 

[1910]

I don’t like bagging Bulls but Swepson has been horrible. Bracey is dealing with him.

Last year when Swepson bowled well he learnt the art of bowling one or two different balls an over. He’s gone back to trying to bowl six today.

 

[The True King]

He got the wicket that opened up the game for us, England batted well, downplay their efforts all you like.

Lyon is the one who changed the way that game was going, if those 2 were still batting when the new ball came and they got through that, god knows how long they bat for, give him the credit he deserves. He would be a front liner in any nation that isn't a sub-continental team. The reason being is that in the sub-continent they produce far more spinners than we do and obviously basic law of averages will tell you they are going to get a handy one.

Lyon must've smashed your missus or something.

If you think England batted well yesterday then this is really a pointless conversation.

The game was going that way because he bowled like shit on day 3. With the way the English were playing yesterday I doubt they would have survived to the new ball regardless of who was bowling.

I actually don't hate the bloke. However, I do wish I got as much credit as he does for showing up and doing exactly what my job is. He's literally in the team to take 2nd innings wickets and that's what he has struggled to do over the last 18 months. That one innings getting tail enders out isn't going to change my view on that.

 

[Sproj]

Not really a factor he hasn’t improved enough to be better than Neser, Neser is a lot better batting. I’m only considering bowling.

I don’t think there is that much between them on batting these days but this is my opinion and you have yours.

Regardless, Richardson is a better bowler even if Neser is a batter batsman.

 

[Sproj]

Matt Renshaw the partnership breaker.

 

[1910]

I don’t think there is that much between them on batting these days but this is my opinion and you have yours.

Regardless, Richardson is a better bowler even if Neser is a batter batsman.

Neser has produced tough 50’s for the Bulls for over 10 years now, Finals and amongst carnage and across formats with two 100’s- and often after producing with the ball. If the Bulls were 7 down and still needed 50 I’d much prefer Neser.

 

[Sproj]

Neser has produced tough 50’s for the Bulls for over 10 years now, Finals and amongst carnage and across formats with two 100’s- and often after producing with the ball. If the Bulls were 7 down and still needed 50 I’d much prefer Neser.

Yeah but you literally said the batting is irrelevant.

 

[BroncosFever]

If you think England batted well yesterday then this is really a pointless conversation.

The game was going that way because he bowled like shit on day 3. With the way the English were playing yesterday I doubt they would have survived to the new ball regardless of who was bowling.

I actually don't hate the bloke. However, I do wish I got as much credit as he does for showing up and doing exactly what my job is. He's literally in the team to take 2nd innings wickets and that's what he has struggled to do over the last 18 months. That one innings getting tail enders out isn't going to change my view on that.

It is pointless because he did break the partnership, a partnership that was well and truly swinging the momentum in favour of England and you still can't see it through those one sided Shane Warne goggles you seem to have equipped.

You can't lay it all on him, compared to old Jack "10 runs an over" Leach who you claimed to be a better bowler as per his average in only a fraction of the games played.

Also as per your logic there, no bowler or batter should ever get credit, as they are just showing up to do what they're employed to do. That sounds like something someone would say when they've been embarrassed for making some stupid claims. The last thing you wanted to see was Nathan Lyon take the crucial wicket on Day 4 (and a few other wickets too).

 

[Unbreakable]

 

[Sproj]

Although Hazlewood is a massive loss, England aren't going to know what hit them.

 

[holdzy]

Although Hazlewood is a massive loss, England aren't going to know what hit them.

For rizzle? Don't know much about him, Joshy is our rock though.

 

[The True King]

It is pointless because he did break the partnership, a partnership that was well and truly swinging the momentum in favour of England and you still can't see it through those one sided Shane Warne goggles you seem to have equipped.

You can't lay it all on him, compared to old Jack "10 runs an over" Leach who you claimed to be a better bowler as per his average in only a fraction of the games played.

Also as per your logic there, no bowler or batter should ever get credit, as they are just showing up to do what they're employed to do. That sounds like something someone would say when they've been embarrassed for making some stupid claims. The last thing you wanted to see was Nathan Lyon take the crucial wicket on Day 4 (and a few other wickets too).

Jack "10 runs an over" Leach still has a better test bowling average than Lyon. Just think about how bad Leach is for a second and let that sink in.

I'm not embarrassed nor am I really bothered he took wickets on day 4. I am happy whenever Australia beats England in test cricket, regardless of who plays. If the wickets were half as crucial as you suggest maybe he should have been a shout for Man of the Match.

 

[Sproj]

Hazlewood is officially out.

 

[holdzy]

Hazlewood is officially out.

Hazlewood out, Broad/Anderson in = advantage England?

 

[Sproj]

Hazlewood out, Broad/Anderson in = advantage England?

If they could bat, yes but Richardson is a gun, he swings it and cuts it both ways at pace, England will struggle badly against him.