OFFICIAL Ashley Taylor to Titans

[broncos4life]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

B4L, that is really uncalled for. I am expressing my opinion, on a forum designed for that. We all have our views and this place gives you the freedom to do that, however outrageous they seem to others.

You have completely taken my comment out of context. I never said that you can't have an opinion or anything like that.

I said that it seems obvious the coaching staff don't think his ready, so you said something that equated to the fact he should just be thrown in which suggests you believe the coaching staff are wrong. Which they may well be, my opinion is I think they would know more than us

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

No one is suggesting we are or should be happy scrapping by, but throwing Taylor in the deep end has the ability to really destabilise the team, and his development.

This team needs time to continue gelling its combinations, not moving pieces to accomodate a talented junior with time on his side and not a second playing in anything higher than the u20s

Well said.......that's how we can improve on this team, give the team time to form their combinations ffs.

Honestly.....this insisting on getting Taylor into the team RIGHT NOW, is fucking insane.

 

[rnabokov]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

You have completely taken my comment out of context. I never said that you can't have an opinion or anything like that.

I said that it seems obvious the coaching staff don't think his ready, so you said something that equated to the fact he should just be thrown in which suggests you believe the coaching staff are wrong. Which they may well be, my opinion is I think they would know more than us

I haven't taken your comment out of context at all. I was pointing at your sarcasm: Saying : "Well tell the coaching staff that, you clearly know better than them" is for mine personal and sarcastic, especially the word "clearly" and not a simple statement like ... that I disagree with them.

I didn't say you said you can't have an opinion. I said I didn't like the way you responded to mine.

Maybe just tell me you disagree with me, the coaching staff disagree with me and most of the Forum disagrees with me and leave it at that. You make your point loud and clear and I respect that.

Wow, I feel like Copernicus!

 

[rnabokov]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Well said.......that's how we can improve on this team, give the team time to form their combinations ffs.

Honestly.....this insisting on getting Taylor into the team RIGHT NOW, is ****ing insane.

Well said. For mine, this is not the time to throw Taylor in the deep end. It is way too late for that ... unless for some insane reason, he is selected to fill in for an injured Hunt or Milford (perish the thought) or rep selections if either H or M make that for Origin.

Now is the time for Milford and Hunt (and Macca) to lead, direct and inspire the team, establish combinations with each other, backs and forwards, call the plays etc etc. something which is still patchy but getting there.

My point about Taylor is I hope we don't lose him 'cos I still see and say, IMO, his only chance in NRL will come when Hodges retires, and I don't think he is a dead cert to be here for us come 2017.

 

[Hug-Pug]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

When Hunt gets a call-up to come off the bench in Origin 3 after Queensland win the first two games I wouldn't be against Ash having a run. But barring injury I don't think so.

I might add that I really want to see him in a Broncos first grade side ASAP, he's from my home town and I watched him when he was a kid. I would be ecstatic to see him run out with the big boys :takdir:

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Such a mature way to have a discussion.

Maybe you can comment on my reply to ari's post instead?

Oh please, I've tried to explain my opinion in a mature fashion, and got the usual reactions from the usual people, but I guess that didn't come as a surprise either, did it?

I never advocated for Taylor to be thrown in the deep end, but to bring him to first grade gradually THIS YEAR, because I am afraid that if that doesn't happen, he will be lost to the Broncos.

Whether you think it's ridiculous or outrageous, I think in time we will be better served with Milford ahead of Boyd at fullback, and Taylor in the halves for all the reasons I've already said (organisation, control, passing, speed and a kicking game unparallelled at the Broncos).

Reaching the top is hard, but staying there is even harder. Stagnation won't serve, and you must continually seek to improve.
Building and establishing a spine with Boyd, Milford and Hunt, is nothing to complain about, and is certainly the best spine we will have since Locky left, but I just think we can build something even better.
What I don't get, is how is building this spine coincident with wanting to keep Taylor? I can't come to that conclusion, and I can't fathom how anyone can either...

@broncospwn, I don't dislike Boyd, I just don't think he's that great a fullback, like Wallace isn't that great a halfback. I also don't think either of them are crap either FTR. I definitely don't think we needed him, but that is water under the bridge now...
You keep going on about how he was a rep player at age 20, etc... and keep forgetting that all but one year at the Dragons, where he was admittedly very good from fullback (2010), his best efforts and all his rep jerseys have always been on the wing. Wallace was also very good next to Locky in 2008/2009, he even played rep footy in his actual position!

 

[Huge]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Oh please, I've tried to explain my opinion in a mature fashion, and got the usual reactions from the usual people, but I guess that didn't come as a surprise either, did it?

I never advocated for Taylor to be thrown in the deep end, but to bring him to first grade gradually THIS YEAR, because I am afraid that if that doesn't happen, he will be lost to the Broncos.

Whether you think it's ridiculous or outrageous, I think in time we will be better served with Milford ahead of Boyd at fullback, and Taylor in the halves for all the reasons I've already said (organisation, control, passing, speed and a kicking game unparallelled at the Broncos).

Reaching the top is hard, but staying there is even harder. Stagnation won't serve, and you must continually seek to improve.
Building and establishing a spine with Boyd, Milford and Hunt, is nothing to complain about, and is certainly the best spine we will have since Locky left, but I just think we can build something even better.
What I don't get, is how is building this spine coincident with wanting to keep Taylor? I can't come to that conclusion, and I can't fathom how anyone can either...

@broncospwn, I don't dislike Boyd, I just don't think he's that great a fullback, like Wallace isn't that great a halfback. I also don't think either of them are crap either FTR. I definitely don't think we needed him, but that is water under the bridge now...
You keep going on about how he was a rep player at age 20, etc... and keep forgetting that all but one year at the Dragons, where he was admittedly very good from fullback (2010), his best efforts and all his rep jerseys have always been on the wing. Wallace was also very good next to Locky in 2008/2009, he even played rep footy in his actual position!

Oh ffs ! When are you going to stop acting like AP ? Are you seriously suggesting that he has gone backwards in that position despite having played three more years in first grade ? If he was good enough to be the best at fullback in 2010 (and very narrowly missed being the best in any position) what makes you think he has lost that ability ? He can be equally good in both positions, it is possible. I for one ,want him in the team and feel we will be a lot stronger, strong enough to win this years title. Taylor can wait and even if we lose him, we will go on. 2016 or a run around Origin time will do, if he is as good as you think, he will shine just like JBird.

 

[Kimlo]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Let's agree to disagree :handshake:
We both want the Broncos to be successful, we just see different ways to achieve that. I'm definitely on team Boyd, at least until I see how he fits into our team from fullback. So I might change my mind, but that's very unlikely to happen before the end of the season.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

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Oh ffs ! When are you going to stop acting like AP ? Are you seriously suggesting that he has gone backwards in that position despite having played three more years in first grade ? If he was good enough to be the best at fullback in 2010 (and very narrowly missed being the best in any position) what makes you think he has lost that ability ? He can be equally good in both positions, it is possible. I for one ,want him in the team and feel we will be a lot stronger, strong enough to win this years title. Taylor can wait and even if we lose him, we will go on. 2016 or a run around Origin time will do, if he is as good as you think, he will shine just like JBird.

Which part about "I don't think he is that great a fullback" can't you understand?

2010 is more the exception to the rule, than the rule itself imo.

Btw, J. Bird actually got a chance to shine (and is the same age as Taylor).

Let's agree to disagree :handshake:
We both want the Broncos to be successful, we just see different ways to achieve that. I'm definitely on team Boyd, at least until I see how he fits into our team from fullback. So I might change my mind, but that's very unlikely to happen before the end of the season.

And that is totally fine. I don't have a problem with people feeling that way, I just want to be able to voice my opinion without being hounded by the usual suspects.

 

[Unbreakable]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

This is such a pointless argument, we literally went through the same argument when Hunt was stuck behind Wallace & Prince in 2013, the difference is that this year Taylor is actually stuck behind 2 young, very good players, he has to wait his turn.

 

[heartly87]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

So our team is doing well, we sit at the top of ladder (for now). We can all see that our team is gelling even with injuries to our spine, we have somehow been very present in every game apart from round one. Yet for some reason we want to bring a junior player up from 20's to help lead our side around. Im sorry but this is just silly pipe dream stuff. I do not care how good a player is you don't just chop a team around that is winning games to fit in an unproven player. These ideas from the anti boyd/milf to fullback agenda crew. We have the team already people.

1Boyd
2.oats
3.Hodges
4.Copes/Reed
5.Kahu
6.Milf
7.Hunt
9.Macca/Niko

I added 9 to see our spine, but one look you can see a lot of attacking potential. This is a quality outfit capable of continuing our progression. In my opinion Taylor can only get a run if we have an injury in the halfs or in origin time and that's the way it should be.

 

[mitch222]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I would play Taylor in the QLD cup before thinking about the NRL. His defence needs to improve before we can let him run with the big boys. Sure he might bag you a couple of tries buts its all for nothing if his defence lets in 4-5. Hunt and Milford need to stay the course. We are first so we obviously are finding ways to win now aren't we. Why change a winning formula?

 

[Renegade]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Nope, he needs to develop in Q Cup first. He's good in the u20's - great, let's see him step up to the next level in state league.

If he does that and is knocking the door down, by all means find a spot for him. Let's see him play against gnarled veterans that love running at green halfbacks. We don't want a Luke Brooks on our hands (great in attack, absolutely woeful in defence) unless we're planning to run up U20's scores in first grade as well.

edit: heh, posted the same thing at the same time @mitch222

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I never advocated for Taylor to be thrown in the deep end, but to bring him to first grade gradually THIS YEAR, because I am afraid that if that doesn't happen, he will be lost to the Broncos.

Interesting ......

You voted for "Get Him In There Now!"........

not "Later in the Year, Maybe Next Year"

 

[theshed]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I can't see how origin will improve his odds of having a run. Milford won't be picked for QLD but even if he is I'd imagine Niko is higher on the pecking order for a half spot. Hunt has a better chance of being picked but it'll be a bench spot at best and I doubt he'll be rested after only playing 15 minutes in origin.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Interesting ......

You voted for "Get Him In There Now!"........

not "Later in the Year, Maybe Next Year"

I didn't mean to throw him in the deep end and make him play 80 minutes from now on.
You know that, but you just like playing silly buggers to suit your agenda.

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Taylor has only played 37 NYC games, over 3 years. This off-season was his first without a shoulder op after three. Physically this year he’s an improved player because he’s been able to do more physical work off the field in preparation for the year.

His defence has improved dramatically and he now has high stats for effecting turn overs and effective defence I think this is due to the offseason, his ops put him physically behind other players. His speed and running game at the line has become more selective I believe because he doesn’t have too many players around him who are similar so he’s running the show now.

Kicking game has been great this year, both short and long.

Could he play NRL- yep he could if Milford or Hunt were out; I’d play him and he was the plan B last year if Hunt didn’t have his form surge. Should he over the other two- I don’t think so. 37 games over three years isn’t a lot of football at all. The best thing for him would be a full NYC year and then ISC next year ready if a chance came up.

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

In context, they're not stupid comparisons. The argument is to change a spine of established players like Boyd, Hunt, Milford and Macca to make way for Taylor - that's all fine and dandy but I don't agree with it. Slater has been replaced by Munster while injured, and Slater is just flat out better at this point in their careers, so the grass isn't always greener on the junior side of the fence.

Being "first called on" is hardly compliment of the year either, Whitchurch and Maranta (and I like Maranta!) are "first called on", and they're hardly stars. Whitchurch is still unproven, Maranta is a reliable player.
As for being "developed in ISC and playing NRL when they get a chance"... That's exactly what I want! I'm happy for Taylor to develop that way, I just don't think he should be immediately thrown in as first choice 6 or 7 full time.

Juniors are often too over hyped and it irks me that a guy like Boyd is talked down to talk up a guy who is 20 and hasn't even played first grade yet. Boyd won a premiership in the NRL before his 20th birthday, was playing for Australia and Queensland at age 20 and played a key part in another premiership by age 23. Hardly the makings of a player who doesn't even deserve a shot at fullback and should be shifted to the wing before he's even allowed to prove his worth in the spine of a team he's just re-joined.

People can "not rate" him all they like, but to write him off for the sake of a unproven reserve grader is in my view, ridiuclous. Taylor is signed till next year, it's not "now or never", he can bide his time and prove his worth by being consistently very good in the reserve grades, injuries, player transfers and many other potential factors will get him chances in first grade, it's then up to him to prove he deserves to stay there.

Next in line isn't too bad when you're young and waiting for Cronk and Slater to move on. You obviously haven't watched Munster or Hampton this year- they're going very well. Last year Hampton stepped straight in when Cronk broke his arm and you may have noticed the situation is reaching the point where the Storm can't wait for Slater to be injured for Munster to be in the side they're finding him a spot now.

Really Slater is better than Munster- what a bold call! Of course he is.

You're bagging them because they're not as good as one of the best ever and because they're not in first grade permanently yet- that's ignorant. They're not the washed up player who never fulfilled potential they're young and just starting and doing everything right.