Australia vs India Discussion

[Dexter]

Such a good decision to pick Finch over Burns.

We need to stick for consistency and stability. @1910

Well, I can't say he isn't consistent.

 

[Alec]

Still got this, just need a 200 run partnership here. Should be easy, yeah?

 

[Unbreakable]

We need to stick for consistency and stability. @1910

Well, I can't say he isn't consistent.

As consistent as they come, also a stable income of wickets for the Indian quicks.

 

[Unbreakable]

Speaking of consistent, Mitch Marsh ladies and gentlemen.

I think he's got a legitimate case now for being the worst player in Australian test cricket history to reach 30 tests. @1910 might have to dig out the record books for this one.

Batting consistently in the top 6 with an average of ~25 and strike rate of 50, and bowling average of 42.5 with a strike rate of 72.

I think you'll struggle to find anyone with worse numbers with that amount of test matches.

 

[Sproj]

Speaking of consistent, Mitch Marsh ladies and gentlemen.

I think he's got a legitimate case now for being the worst player in Australian test cricket history to reach 30 tests. @1910 might have to dig out the record books for this one.

Batting consistently in the top 6 with an average of ~25 and strike rate of 50, and bowling average of 42.5 with a strike rate of 72.

I think you'll struggle to find anyone with worse numbers with that amount of test matches.

But he’s got so much potential, can bat with intent and there was that one time he got that score that not even his old man could get and you know, he’s a Marsh so who cares about stats, he’s already an all-time great.

 

[1910]

They picked Finch knowing his average opening for Victoria was 18, they picked him knowing his average in the middle order was 31. They wanted him to fill the Warner role- it worked once surely it will work again. Even though in the middle order last 15 Shield games 1,075 runs- 44.05.

His test average now is 27- so what did you expect? Those numbers are all consistent with what he's produced.

So we burn him off. Pick Burns.

Hasn't scored a 100 for over 12 months and has a Test average of 36 this team has a serious issue making 100. Aren't you just setting someone else up to be burnt? Burns needs to score 100's. 60's shouldn't be enough.

Replacing one guy averaging 27 with another guy averaging 36. It's just a revolving door. Gave Burns SA then no UAE. Now from BBL pick him again for a one off Test averaging 36 and hope he can get a 200.

Khawaja averages over 100 opening. Wouldn't he be a better choice with Harris and move Finch down the order where Victoria said he should play and the data over the last 15 games backs that up?

Four 100 this year- Khawaja two and M.Marsh and S.Marsh one each. Have a look at our decline of Test 100's.

2018- 4
2017- 15
2016- 12
2015- 21
2014- 16
2013- 14
2012- 15
2011- 8
2010- 12
2009- 15

Over the last 50 years, only been six times we have scored four or fewer 100's.

1996- 2 from five Tests
1990- 4 from six Tests
1988- 4 from eight Tests
1987- 3 from four Tests
1971- 3 from four Tests
1970- 4 from seven Tests

Two batsmen in the last 10 years have scored 1000 runs in the SS year.

But we call for guys averaging 30 in Shield to bump that up by 20 against world class line ups with random selections. I get called negative for not thinking that random selections of guys averaging 30 will dominate Test cricket.

 

[1910]

Speaking of consistent, Mitch Marsh ladies and gentlemen.

I think he's got a legitimate case now for being the worst player in Australian test cricket history to reach 30 tests. @1910 might have to dig out the record books for this one.

Batting consistently in the top 6 with an average of ~25 and strike rate of 50, and bowling average of 42.5 with a strike rate of 72.

I think you'll struggle to find anyone with worse numbers with that amount of test matches.

Waugh was averaging 30 after 27 Tests with no 100.

40 wickets though.

 

[1910]

Hick out.
Katich in.

 

[Sproj]

They picked Finch knowing his average opening for Victoria was 18, they picked him knowing his average in the middle order was 31. They wanted him to fill the Warner role- it worked once surely it will work again. Even though in the middle order last 15 Shield games 1,075 runs- 44.05.

His test average now is 27- so what did you expect? Those numbers are all consistent with what he's produced.

So we burn him off. Pick Burns.

Hasn't scored a 100 for over 12 months and has a Test average of 36 this team has a serious issue making 100. Aren't you just setting someone else up to be burnt? Burns needs to score 100's. 60's shouldn't be enough.

Replacing one guy averaging 27 with another guy averaging 36. It's just a revolving door. Gave Burns SA then no UAE. Now from BBL pick him again for a one off Test averaging 36 and hope he can get a 200.

Khawaja averages over 100 opening. Wouldn't he be a better choice with Harris and move Finch down the order where Victoria said he should play and the data over the last 15 games backs that up?

Four 100 this year- Khawaja two and M.Marsh and S.Marsh one each. Have a look at our decline of Test 100's.

2018- 4
2017- 15
2016- 12
2015- 21
2014- 16
2013- 14
2012- 15
2011- 8
2010- 12
2009- 15

Over the last 50 years, only been six times we have scored four or fewer 100's.

1996- 2 from five Tests
1990- 4 from six Tests
1988- 4 from eight Tests
1987- 3 from four Tests
1971- 3 from four Tests
1970- 4 from seven Tests

Two batsmen in the last 10 years have scored 1000 runs in the SS year.

But we call for guys averaging 30 in Shield to bump that up by 20 against world class line ups with random selections. I get called negative for not thinking that random selections of guys averaging 30 will dominate Test cricket.

Hold on. Why are you using hyperbole? No one expects Burns or anyone else to come in and work miracles and I have suggested Khawaja should open...with Burns.

I’ll take a guy who averages over 36 over a guy who averages 18 any day of the week, you would be a lunatic not to do so. At least Burns will at least soak up some balls and give the bowlers a longer rest at least. Finch’s dismissal was nothing but embarrassing.

At least Burns has test hundreds, Finch has what, a fifty?

Again, no one is going to dominate but at least choose our best available team to give the bowlers a chance.

Based on averages alone, the side would look something like:

1. Burns
2. Khawaja
3. Patterson
4. Pucovski
5. Maxwell
6. Wade
7. Paine

Tell me with a straight face they will do any worse than the current batch of idiots. Again, to reiterate, I’m not saying they will dominate or even do markedly better than the current batch but they would certainly put up more of a fight and at least give the very good bowling line up a chance at least to rest.

 

[Alec]

Cummins has got to be fucking exhausted after this match. Top scoring and taking like 2/3rds of the total wickets lol.

 

[1910]

Hold on. Why are you using hyperbole? No one expects Burns or anyone else to come in and work miracles and I have suggested Khawaja should open...with Burns.

I’ll take a guy who averages over 36 over a guy who averages 18 any day of the week, you would be a lunatic not to do so. At least Burns will at least soak up some balls and give the bowlers a longer rest at least. Finch’s dismissal was nothing but embarrassing.

At least Burns has test hundreds, Finch has what, a fifty?

Again, no one is going to dominate but at least choose our best available team to give the bowlers a chance.

Based on averages alone, the side would look something like:

1. Burns
2. Khawaja
3. Patterson
4. Pucovski
5. Maxwell
6. Wade
7. Paine

Tell me with a straight face they will do any worse than the current batch of idiots. Again, to reiterate, I’m not saying they will dominate or even do markedly better than the current batch but they would certainly put up more of a fight and at least give the very good bowling line up a chance at least to rest.

I didn't exaggerate anything- 100's and 200's are their job. Big 100's should be an expectation. India had all their top 6 score Domestic 300 bar two in this Test. How is setting our bar at 60 is good enough working out?

Pucovski a 20 year old with seven concussions in seven Shield games and who has played one game back from retirement in October is in your side for Sydney?

Wade a failed keeper batting at six and no bowling support for guys that have bowled for three days in Melbourne.

Patterson just scored his first 100 for two years a few weeks ago. Going to bat at the most important position in a Test side. Another guy that sets the bar at 50- 14 of them in that time for New South Wales.

Burns I love but I have touched on how he is struggling for 100's in the last 12 months. You can't compare Burns' Test average to Finch's SS average opening.

I would say they would do worse than what we currently have in the side. Way too many question marks and I don't mind some sort of selection risk but I also like 1000 run years.

 

[Unbreakable]

I didn't exaggerate anything- 100's and 200's are their job. Big 100's should be an expectation. India had all their top 6 score Domestic 300 bar two in this Test. How is setting our bar at 60 is good enough working out?

Pucovski a 20 year old with seven concussions in seven Shield games and who has played one game back from retirement in October is in your side for Sydney?

Wade a failed keeper batting at six and no bowling support for guys that have bowled for three days in Melbourne.

Patterson just scored his first 100 for two years a few weeks ago. Going to bat at the most important position in a Test side. Another guy that sets the bar at 50- 14 of them in that time for New South Wales.

Burns I love but I have touched on how he is struggling for 100's in the last 12 months. You can't compare Burns' Test average to Finch's SS average opening.

I would say they would do worse than what we currently have in the side. Way too many question marks and I don't mind some sort of selection risk but I also like 1000 run years.

Is 7 concussions in 7 games an exaggeration? Because that's like career over for him if that's a legitimate statistic.

I somewhat agree with what you're saying, I touched on it a couple of pages ago, making changes to the side might make the selectors and public feel better, but they aren't going to solve anything, literally nobody is scoring enough big runs in Australia right now, no matter who we put in, we're destined for more of the same. May as well ride it out with this lot until the sandpaper 3 return and hopefully kick us back in to gear.

 

[1910]

Is 7 concussions in 7 games an exaggeration? Because that's like career over for him if that's a legitimate statistic.

I somewhat agree with what you're saying, I touched on it a couple of pages ago, making changes to the side might make the selectors and public feel better, but they aren't going to solve anything, literally nobody is scoring enough big runs in Australia right now, no matter who we put in, we're destined for more of the same. May as well ride it out with this lot until the sandpaper 3 return and hopefully kick us back in to gear.

The seven is legitimate they might not have all been Shield games though.

Debut he dived and got smacked in the head and was subbed off, and had six months off, Abbott pinged him last season he was replaced during the game by Christian, Bulls got him and he had delayed concussion and was sick again.

Futures league game last year hit side of the head by Tasmania and subbed off too. He had three his debut Shield year and they said no more he couldn't even study he was sick.

EDIT.

There was the high of a maiden first-class century against Queensland, “the best day of my life,” he says. But there were three concussions as well, making it seven concussions in all, a glaringly high number for a player so young.
The seventh came less than three weeks after that ton. In what must rate as one of the most harrowing moments in the history of Junction Oval, Pucovski was felled by a Sean Abbott bouncer during a shield game against NSW. The batsman fell to the ground, and took time to get to his feet, eventually needing to be helped off the ground. The bowler, the man who delivered the ball that struck Phillip Hughes in 2014 leading to Hughes’ tragic death, was initially inconsolable.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...i-would-prefer-some-runs-20180914-p503wi.html

 

[Unbreakable]

Yeah that doesn't sound great. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets advice from doctors to retire if it keeps happening at a regular rate.

 

[Unbreakable]

Warne reckons we should drop Mitch Marsh for D'Arcy Short, lol.

 

[broncos4life]

Warne reckons we should drop Mitch Marsh for D'Arcy Short, lol.

Because he can bowl a couple of very average overs in the Big Bash? Ladies and gentlemen, our new all-rounder.

 

[roo-ted]

As far fetched as it sounds, we could get close to 140 today if the Goat and Pat bat well today. Cummins has been playing shots like a top order batsman and Gary has shown he can hang in for a descent amount of time.

 

[1910]

Warne reckons we should drop Mitch Marsh for D'Arcy Short, lol.

Warne loves a rough diamond because that's what he was, seven SS games and in the Test side. Warne coaches him too so he's got that perspective as well and a wrist spinner would be great variation.

Short's bowling isn't shabby, but he doesn't do enough of it for WA or play enough Shield cricket even. His one game this year he got two wickets against Victoria. His 18 wickets in 10 games for WA is potential but he needs to do more than have a dart every now and then to play Test cricket. Which comes back to getting the hell out of WA probably.

Warne would see visions of opening the batting smacking 100 off 30 and 5 overs with 2 wickets. But really how often does that happen when you can't do it in SS?

The Warne, Healy or Warner selections the left field who is that guy pick just doesn't work 99% of the time. It's a Warne selection though because he loves that bold I see something move.

Short isn't what this side needs, if they were dominating you could carry him and let him get 50 off 30 at six and bowl five overs of wrist but he doesn't fit at the moment.