Australia vs India - Test Series

[Bull Shark]

Watching Australia bat feels way too much like watching the Heat.

Its a flip of the coin.................... so either they all just fall in a heap or a couple of them get lucky and manage a decent score propping up the rest of them.

You’re holding your breath because you know it’s like a house of cards.. even at 2-200, it felt like everything hinged on Smith and Marnus and if one of them went the middle order would leak wickets..

 

[holdzy]

**** Kerry can put the knock on a bloke eh?

Plenty of runs for Gill to come, BAM, he's out.

 

[holdzy]

I actually think Australia is pretty well placed atm. Bit more venom in the bowling tomorrow, can't really see India getting too far beyond 400, if they reach that.

 

[gordjw]

I actually think Australia is pretty well placed atm. Bit more venom in the bowling tomorrow, can't really see India getting too far beyond 400, if they reach that.

Yeah, there was a bit of variable bounce and sideways movement starting to creep in already for Cummins. It’s only getting harder to bat on from here.

 

[ZTop]

Yeah, there was a bit of variable bounce and sideways movement starting to creep in already for Cummins. It’s only getting harder to bat on from here.

Australia's bowling improved a lot towards the end of the day, pressure was on India. At this point we are ahead in the game

 

[Sproj]

What a run out!

 

[BroncsFan]

Jeez that looked out off Marnus' first ball... looked like the ball deviated off the glove!!

 

[The True King]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Marnus just spin the ball more in that one over than Lyon has all innings?

 

[BroncsFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Marnus just spin the ball more in that one over than Lyon has all innings?

Feel like he doesn't get enough love from Paine.

Even when he does get a bowl he doesn't seem to get a lot of help from the fields that are set for him. In that first over I think he had one slip with a shortish catching cover to Pujara. No leg gully/slip, no bat pads on either side, etc.

If the ball is doing nothing or our front liners don't seem to be creating anything than I think we should be turning to Marnus more often.

He rips it and gets some turn with the risk being that he'll throw up a few bad balls over a few overs, but he mixes in some absolute rippers.

You don't use him for one dayers, but during a test match it's about 20 wickets and Marnus has a couple wicket taking deliveries in his arsenal

 

[Sproj]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Marnus just spin the ball more in that one over than Lyon has all innings?

One is a leggie, one is an offie. The leggie SHOULD spin the ball further.

 

[BroncsFan]

So far only 1 ball hitting the stumps at this stage... Have they learnt nothing from what the Indians did to us???

Will be interesting to see how they go bowling the new ball to Pant.

I feel all our seamers struggle against left handers (especially Starc)... Every other team in the world has their right armers going around the wicket and attacking the stumps. Will be interesting to see if we do the same with Pant and Jadeja.

 

[BroncsFan]

Get Starc off... he's not hitting the stumps to Pujara and he struggles against left handers.

Is Cummins the only one that even gets near the stumps?

If they don't change this approach the new ball will be wasted... again.

They only need 2 wickets before it's Ashwin and batting has been most difficult with the new ball... can't waste the opportunity!!

 

[1910]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Marnus just spin the ball more in that one over than Lyon has all innings?

I would hope so, if an off spinner ever spun it more than a leg spinner he should retire.

 

[The True King]

One is a leggie, one is an offie. The leggie SHOULD spin the ball further.

And yet not spinning the ball was always the big criticism of SOK.

I would hope so, if an off spinner ever spun it more than a leg spinner he should retire.

Begs the question as to why we bother with off spin anyway. Our best spinners historically have all been leggies.

This is not aimed at Lyon but I just can't get my head around why you'd bother picking a specialist "spin" bowler if they actually spin it less than a part timer.

Kerry O'Keefe was ripping on off-spin earlier in the commentary and alluded to the fact that Lyon is a one trick pony. Aside from variation in flight he really has nothing else to deceive the batsman. It's on pitches like these (SCG is traditionally spin friendly) that we actually need a slower bowler with a few different tricks - look how it served Jadeja in the first innings.

 

[ZTop]

I don't rate Pujara at all

 

[1910]

And yet not spinning the ball was always the big criticism of SOK.


Begs the question as to why we bother with off spin anyway. Our best spinners historically have all been leggies.

This is not aimed at Lyon but I just can't get my head around why you'd bother picking a specialist "spin" bowler if they actually spin it less than a part timer.

Kerry O'Keefe was ripping on off-spin earlier in the commentary and alluded to the fact that Lyon is a one trick pony. Aside from variation in flight he really has nothing else to deceive the batsman. It's on pitches like these (SCG is traditionally spin friendly) that we actually need a slower bowler with a few different tricks - look how it served Jadeja in the first innings.

No the big criticism of SOK was he was a drunk that got suspended every three weeks and couldn't be trusted.

He spins it less than a part timer because the part timer bowls wrist spin which always spins more than finger spin.

They are not the same thing, why does Starc bowl faster than a medium pacer- they do different things.

The SCG really isn't and hasn't been for 21 years.

Aswin at the SCG before this test- 0/157, 1/142 and 4/105.

Warne this century in Sydney 6 games, 21 wickets @36
Lyon 9 games, 36 wickets at 37.

 

[The True King]

No the big criticism of SOK was he was a drunk that got suspended every three weeks and couldn't be trusted.

He spins it less than a part timer because the part timer bowls wrist spin which always spins more than finger spin.

They are not the same thing, why does Starc bowl faster than a medium pacer- they do different things.

The SCG really isn't and hasn't been for 21 years.

Aswin at the SCG before this test- 0/157, 1/142 and 4/105.

Warne this century in Sydney 6 games, 21 wickets @36
Lyon 9 games, 36 wickets at 37.

If that's the case why is it that we have chosen 2 spinners at the SCG in recent years?

MacGill took 53 wickets @ 24.47 in 8 tests at the SCG. SOK played his only 3 tests in Aus at the SCG and averaged 23.71. Jadeja's average at the SCG is currently 22.5.

We can cherry pick statistics all day. My point is that off-spin is a lot less effective than leg-spin and historically the numbers show it.

 

[1910]

If that's the case why is it that we have chosen 2 spinners at the SCG in recent years?

MacGill took 53 wickets @ 24.47 in 8 tests at the SCG. SOK played his only 3 tests in Aus at the SCG and averaged 23.71. Jadeja's average at the SCG is currently 22.5.

We can cherry pick statistics all day. My point is that off-spin is a lot less effective than leg-spin and historically the numbers show it.

Muralitharan- 800 Test wickets.