Australia vs India - Test Series

[Fitzy]

Pucovski would have to be highly unlikely. Wonder if they will bring Joe back or go for someone else.

Scans haven’t ruled him out so he basically will just need to show signs he can bat which you’d think he might be able to do over the coming days

 

[Fitzy]

I'm not surprised, Bumrah was well down on pace on day 4 and looked to be holding his side a bit. No idea if it is related or not.

So India might be something like:

1. Gill
2. Agarwal
3. Pujara
4. Rahane
5. Sharma
6. Pant
7. Saha
8. Ashwin
9. Siraj
10. Saini
11. Tyagi? (I have no idea who is left standing)

Boy imagine the fall out if that side beats Australia.

Yeah you would imagine they’d go tyagi

 

[Fitzy]

I reckon based off performances our side for Gabba:
1. Pucovski
2. Warner
3. Labuschagne
4. Smith
5. Green
6. Wade
7. Paine (Wk/C)
8. Abbot/Neser
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

in 3 shield games Abbot and Neser have snagged in 11 and 14 wickets respectively in 5 innings each... take your pick

 

[Bull Shark]

If Sean Abbot EVER plays Test cricket..

 

[The True King]

If Sean Abbot EVER plays Test cricket..

I have a similar reaction to the thought of Henriques playing too.

I actually don't mind Henriques as a limited overs player and he's obviously a well liked figure and been okay in shield but I genuinely have no clue what either of these guys are doing near the test squad.

Maxwell and Steketee would have been better options.

Odds are right now we'll pick the same XI and scrape a win against what is a patched up Indian side that literally have a FC bowling attack and three batsmen. Our media will celebrate it as if it is some remarkable achievement against the odds and that we're the best team in the world and overcome massive adversity. The circus of Lyon's 100th test will be a massive distraction as this test is all about him being the greatest ever and I predict Paine will get plaudits for leading the bounce back.

Next series we will be in the exact same position of having an extremely vulnerable batting order, a captain that is a passenger, and a bowling attack which is overly reliant on Cummins and Hazlewood taking wickets.

 

[ZTop]

You are biased if you think steketee is better than abbot

 

[1910]

I reckon based off performances our side for Gabba:
1. Pucovski
2. Warner
3. Labuschagne
4. Smith
5. Green
6. Wade
7. Paine (Wk/C)
8. Abbot/Neser
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

in 3 shield games Abbot and Neser have snagged in 11 and 14 wickets respectively in 5 innings each... take your pick

Nesser has 70 wickets for the Bulls at the 'Gabba at 18.62 from 15 games. He's outstanding at home.

 

[The True King]

You are biased if you think steketee is better than abbot

Not really.

Shield 19/20:
Abbott 5 games, 14 wickets @ 29.78; Steketee 7 games, 27 wickets @ 24.64
Shield 18/19:
Abbott 8 games, 37 wickets @ 22.29; Steketee 9 games, 42 wickets @ 20.76
Shield 17/18:
Abbott 5 games, 11 wickets @ 51.63; Steketee 5 games, 11 wickets @ 34.09

Career FC average:
Abbott (28yo) 58 games, 160 wickets @ 32.53. Econ 3.14, SR 62.0
Steketee (26yo) 42 games, 144 wickets @ 26.77. Econ 2.94, SR 54.5

I'm a firm believer that the numbers don't lie. It's a different discussion with the white ball but if we're talking the longer form of the game it's clear who is better.

 

[Bull Shark]

Obviously selection considerations are limited to the ‘bubble boys’ at the moment due to Covid protocols but I’d love to see Jhye Richardson get himself through the rest of this season unscathed and back into the test frame as soon as possible..

I think he has a lot to offer as a third seamer in our test lineup because he bowls straight at good pace and could really help Cummins and Hazlewood by keeping the pressure on batsmen more so than Starc. Also really like his body language - from the batsman’s end he looks like the type who’s just going to run in hard and keep coming at you all day.

I think his ability to do the above also would also mean he’d get through more work than Starc on average through the middle part of an innings and reduce some of the burden on Cummins & Hazlejosh.

 

[Bull Shark]

Not really.

Shield 19/20:
Abbott 5 games, 14 wickets @ 29.78; Steketee 7 games, 27 wickets @ 24.64
Shield 18/19:
Abbott 8 games, 37 wickets @ 22.29; Steketee 9 games, 42 wickets @ 20.76
Shield 17/18:
Abbott 5 games, 11 wickets @ 51.63; Steketee 5 games, 11 wickets @ 34.09

Career FC average:
Abbott (28yo) 58 games, 160 wickets @ 32.53. Econ 3.14, SR 62.0
Steketee (26yo) 42 games, 144 wickets @ 26.77. Econ 2.94, SR 54.5

I'm a firm believer that the numbers don't lie. It's a different discussion with the white ball but if we're talking the longer form of the game it's clear who is better.

I looked at Abbot’s numbers during the Shield stretch of this season and thought he was lucky to be earning selection for NSW.. obviously his numbers have improved over the last two summers but I see nothing he brings to the table that would worry batsmen at Test level

 

[1910]

I looked at Abbot’s numbers during the Shield stretch of this season and thought he was lucky to be earning selection for NSW.. obviously his numbers have improved over the last two summers but I see nothing he brings to the table that would worry batsmen at Test level

He's improved and over the last two years been very consistent averaging 47 with the bat and 65 wickets. His batting is the big improver.

 

[1910]

Most Test wickets since August 31, 2011- Lyon's debut.

Lyon 396
Broad 382
Ashwin 377
Anderson 360
Herath 349
Boult 281
Southee 267
Starc 253
Shah 227
Philander 224

 

[Allo]

Perfect chance to give Neser a cap at home, at home, but this will be like Cutting circa ‘11-15

 

[The True King]

Most Test wickets since August 31, 2011- Lyon's debut.

Lyon 396
Broad 382
Ashwin 377
Anderson 360
Herath 349
Boult 281
Southee 267
Starc 253
Shah 227
Philander 224

Bet they didn't list the amount of tests played.

Meanwhile their bowling averages:
Lyon - 31.98
Broad - 28.65
Ashwin - 25.53
Anderson - 26.79
Herath - 28.07
Boult - 28.02
Southee - 28.70
Starc - 27.14
Shah - 30.85
Philander - 22.32

So aside from a 42yo who's still kicking around the sub-continent he's the only one to average 30+ with the ball. Nice Garry!

 

[Dexter]

Bet they didn't list the amount of tests played.

Meanwhile their bowling averages:
Lyon - 31.98
Broad - 28.65
Ashwin - 25.53
Anderson - 26.79
Herath - 28.07
Boult - 28.02
Southee - 28.70
Starc - 27.14
Shah - 30.85
Philander - 22.32

So aside from a 42yo who's still kicking around the sub-continent he's the only one to average 30+ with the ball. Nice Garry!

What are historical averages of off spinners.

 

[Fitzy]

Not really.

Shield 19/20:
Abbott 5 games, 14 wickets @ 29.78; Steketee 7 games, 27 wickets @ 24.64
Shield 18/19:
Abbott 8 games, 37 wickets @ 22.29; Steketee 9 games, 42 wickets @ 20.76
Shield 17/18:
Abbott 5 games, 11 wickets @ 51.63; Steketee 5 games, 11 wickets @ 34.09

Career FC average:
Abbott (28yo) 58 games, 160 wickets @ 32.53. Econ 3.14, SR 62.0
Steketee (26yo) 42 games, 144 wickets @ 26.77. Econ 2.94, SR 54.5

I'm a firm believer that the numbers don't lie. It's a different discussion with the white ball but if we're talking the longer form of the game it's clear who is better.

I have got to agree with him here... whilst steketee may be playing well he isn’t better than Abbott neser or Richardson

 

[Fitzy]

Not really.

Shield 19/20:
Abbott 5 games, 14 wickets @ 29.78; Steketee 7 games, 27 wickets @ 24.64
Shield 18/19:
Abbott 8 games, 37 wickets @ 22.29; Steketee 9 games, 42 wickets @ 20.76
Shield 17/18:
Abbott 5 games, 11 wickets @ 51.63; Steketee 5 games, 11 wickets @ 34.09

Career FC average:
Abbott (28yo) 58 games, 160 wickets @ 32.53. Econ 3.14, SR 62.0
Steketee (26yo) 42 games, 144 wickets @ 26.77. Econ 2.94, SR 54.5

I'm a firm believer that the numbers don't lie. It's a different discussion with the white ball but if we're talking the longer form of the game it's clear who is better.

Your can’t just pick and choose the stats you want... the reality is at the moment the better first class/ test bowler is Abbott he has 14 wickets and steketee has 7 with 3, 0 wicket innings and a single 4-fer which was in the last innings that’s 3 wickets in 5 innings!! I’m sorry but the 3 standout bowlers from shield this season have been neser abbott and Nathan Ellis who have been successful and consistent wickets wise and Nathan Ellis is the only one who has been quite average economically

 

[The True King]

Your can’t just pick and choose the stats you want... the reality is at the moment the better first class/ test bowler is Abbott he has 14 wickets and steketee has 7 with 3, 0 wicket innings and a single 4-fer which was in the last innings that’s 3 wickets in 5 innings!! I’m sorry but the 3 standout bowlers from shield this season have been neser abbott and Nathan Ellis who have been successful and consistent wickets wise and Nathan Ellis is the only one who has been quite average economically

I picked those stats because they were over a longer time period. The sample size you've choosen is based on 3 games of shield cricket this season.

By your logic - Ellis who has taken 12 wickets in 3 games and Agar who has taken 10 in 3 games are better bowlers than Lyon who has taken 9 wickets in 3 games.