Bagging other NRL teams, the discussion...

[Kaz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

I dont understand how you can go through with it when your a Blues supporter and everyone is picking on you and calling your team crap.

Well, they don't want us to lie & say they are great. When they know it's the truth.

 

[Twiztid]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

LOL@5(c)uff$ :finger:

Oh yeah then you have dickheads that think this is still actually funny.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Without sounding harsh if someone can't handle their team getting bagged out then the Internet isn't the place to be.

This! With absolute certitude!

Same thing with Origin, you know the saying: If you can't take the heat...

Not that I in any way agree with cyber bullying, but Rugby League is a team sport followed by millions, making it inheritantly contentious and susceptible to strong emotional outbursts between rivals, be it on the paddock, on the stands, on the internet or at the café.

Like Rocky said, Twitzid is his mate, but he still gives him shit about Souths.
Likewise, if and when I meet Rocky, I will absolutely give it to him about how worthless the blues are, but still buy him a beer. Basically what I do with my mates who support a different club or state.

One thing I need to make sure of, is that if I'm going to give it, I have to be able to take it as well when things go against my team (s).

 

[Twiztid]

Cant say i am. If i was over on one of the Rabbitoh forums and someonce called Broncos shit and Darren Lockyer trash directly at me id be very upset. Some people dont have strong feelings, I dont understand how you can go through with it when your a Blues supporter and everyone is picking on you and calling your team crap. I even felt bad for you on a number occastions same as Broncosman And lastly noone deserves to go through cyber bullying.

Well there is a difference between being a rival fan on a Broncos fan site (or other fan site) and having comments made about your team, compared to comments made about yourself. IMO cyber bullying is not teasing the team you support as you knew full well the banter you would receive if you joined up, as did I. When the person is personally attacked does it become bullying.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Oh yeah then you have dickheads that think this is still actually funny.

See, this is where some people can't help themselves but to go stupid and turn things personal...

It is tragically funny, has been for 41 years, more so the last 20, will be again when you lot finish ninff.
The biggest laugh though will be when they exit quietly through the NRL back door and disappear into oblivion.

 

[ningnangnong]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Oh yeah then you have dickheads that think this is still actually funny.

Have said it on here before, but I still don't get how the whole 'Lol@Souths' (not going to spell it the lame arse way) is funny (did it originate on LU? That would explain a lot). In fact, I'm not too sure why so many people heap such inordinate amounts of crap on Souths.

They've got an extremely supportive fanbase and play some pretty entertaining footy - they're hardly a laughing stock. The 'let's all pick on the Rabbitohs' thing that seems to be rife on forums all over the web is tiresome and pathetic IMO.

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Yep.

Started off as a throw-away line on LU but then BunniesMan joined, trolled the entire NRL forum and now there's about 8 threads with wannabe comedians hammering the same joke into the ground.

I suppose mileage varies...

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Let me guess Ning, you don't have any team in the NRL you strongly dislike?
Souffs are at the same level as Manly and the Storm for me, except I actually respect the latter two's achievements.

Or maybe you can tell me which other team in the NRL call themselves the pride of the league, because they won 20 titles against the likes of Annandale and Glebe before most of us were even born, then proceed to talk themselves up every single year as "this is our year", only to finish invariably 9th or lower (with one exception in the last 20 years), have not had a single season positive season (with more wins than losses) in the last 20 years, are about to go back to where they never should have come back from, but are saved by the big bucks from Rusty and PHAC, and then proceed to follow their biggest rivals lead, and try to buy anything that moves from under other clubs noses, without any care or interest in morals or ethics...

Calling other people's opinions and thoughts tiresome and pathetic doesn't become you Ning, like it wouldn't become me to do the same to you, just because you like souffs.

 

[Twiztid]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

See, this is where some people can't help themselves but to go stupid and turn things personal...

It is tragically funny, has been for 41 years, more so the last 20, will be again when you lot finish ninff.
The biggest laugh though will be when they exit quietly through the NRL back door and disappear into oblivion.

Hahaha the lol@souths thing was funny at the start but dickheads, who are trying to keep it going just look like idiots who go to that extra effort to actually write that. Sorry if you are offended for being called a dickhead but you are one of those dickheads that does it so....

I know you want a bite but... meh

The funny thing is though after 20 years of crap and being kicked out and the privatisation of the club. To now be one of the best run football clubs off the field, with one of the best membership levels and support, merchandise sales, corporate sponsorship etc. The only thing we needed to change was on the field and it is starting to evolve for good.

I would really like to see the Broncos supporter levels etc if they had the same 20 years as us. Look at the Titans, maybe not around along enough to start a loyal supporter base but they have a crap year and look at their crowds now. The Broncos some how turn to shit over the next few years and watch the supporters drop them like a lead balloon. It is all good to be high and mighty when your team is a success but when it is reversed it shows how true you are to your team.

If we finish 9th we finish 9th, I'll be disappointed but I'll be back next year as keen as ever. I would really love (though I would be extremely nervous) of playing you guys in the finals to knock you out and give you a big :finger: lol

 

[Kaz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

I would really love (though I would be extreme nervous) of playing you guys in the finals to knock you out and give you a big lol

If that ever happens, that would be cyber bullying. :haha:

But the mods will ban you, before that happens. :wink:

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Hahaha the lol@souths thing was funny at the start but dickheads, who are trying to keep it going just look like idiots who go to that extra effort to actually write that. Sorry if you are offended for being called a dickhead but you are one of those dickheads that does it so....

I know you want a bite but... meh

The funny thing is though after 20 years of crap and being kicked out and the privatisation of the club. To now be one of the best run football clubs off the field, with one of the best membership levels and support, merchandise sales, corporate sponsorship etc. The only thing we needed to change was on the field and it is starting to evolve for good.

I would really like to see the Broncos supporter levels etc if they had the same 20 years as us. Look at the Titans, maybe not around along enough to start a loyal supporter base but they have a crap year and look at their crowds now. The Broncos some how turn to shit over the next few years and watch the supporters drop them like a lead balloon. It is all good to be high and mighty when your team is a success but when it is reversed it shows how true you are to your team.

If we finish 9th we finish 9th, I'll be disappointed but I'll be back next year as keen as ever. I would really love (though I would be extremely nervous) of playing you guys in the finals to knock you out and give you a big :finger: lol

I wasn't looking for a bite at all. The lol@souffs thing was purely intended as a joke, but you demostrated I got under your skin when you chose to make it personal. Had you simply written the above post without the first paragraph, I would've immensely respected you for it.

Anyway, the souffs bagging was done where it usually is... On the field on Friday night, and there is a whole thread just for it, so we should all get back on topic.

 

[ningnangnong]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Let me guess Ning, you don't have any team in the NRL you strongly dislike?
Souffs are at the same level as Manly and the Storm for me, except I actually respect the latter two's achievements.

Or maybe you can tell me which other team in the NRL call themselves the pride of the league, because they won 20 titles against the likes of Annandale and Glebe before most of us were even born, then proceed to talk themselves up every single year as "this is our year", only to finish invariably 9th or lower (with one exception in the last 20 years), have not had a single season positive season (with more wins than losses) in the last 20 years, are about to go back to where they never should have come back from, but are saved by the big bucks from Rusty and PHAC, and then proceed to follow their biggest rivals lead, and try to buy anything that moves from under other clubs noses, without any care or interest in morals or ethics...

Calling other people's opinions and thoughts tiresome and pathetic doesn't become you Ning, like it wouldn't become me to do the same to you, just because you like souffs.

Due to the sheer lack of quality discussion on LU, I only ever read a couple of threads on there which haven't been trolled (although I'm not sure these types of threads exist anymore)... anyway, as such, seeing as I don't visit a dedicated Rabbitohs forum either, I'm not privy to these Souths supporters spruiking the Rabbitohs' impressive history. Really, the only Souths supporters I've come across on the net are Twiztid and Playboy Bunny - both supporters who clearly know their stuff and who I respect the opinions of.

That said, what you've described doesn't sound any different from the supporters of other clubs. The majority of fans of sports teams all over the world head into every new season full of hope and positive predictions - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. They can be realistic if they want, but there's no fun in that. What enjoyment as a supporter of a struggling team would you get heading into every season predicting the worst? None whatsoever, so why do it? If your teams got a successful history, why not be proud of it? It's all apart of being a sports fan - bigging up your team. That's not enough of a reason for me to 'hate' a team - just because their supporters are proud of their history. If the Broncos didn't win a premiership for the next 20 years, I'd go around telling everyone how we were the best team in the 90's/00's. There's no shame in that.

I'm not calling anyone's opinions tiresome and pathetic, I'm calling this 'Lol@Souths' crap tired and pathetic. It's become a stale cliche, which in my opinion is completely devoid of any humour. Didn't some saddos make a banner with it and take it to the Knights/Rabbitohs match earlier this year? I find that oh so lame. Then again, I haven't read the thread about it on LU, nor have I attempted discussion with some of the trolls (seemingly 90% of members) on there.

Whatever though, it's late and I'm tired, so maybe I've completely missed the point of what we're discussing here.

From my point of view, there's nothing I greatly dislike about Souths. They got kicked out of the comp, fought their way back in and are finally starting to make some inroads. Much to admire about that IMO. Could've been easy for everyone to sit on their arses and just give up on their team, but they didn't and their team is finally starting to perform to a level worthy of their supporter base.

If they cheated the salary cap to win a couple of premierships, well yeah, I'd hate them, but for now, I think Souths are alright. In fact, I'm going to coin new term - 'Souths are alright in my book'. Sorry if it's not as utterly hilarious as that other one!

 

[Twiztid]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Or maybe you can tell me which other team in the NRL call themselves the pride of the league, because they won 20 titles against the likes of Annandale and Glebe before most of us were even born, then proceed to talk themselves up every single year as "this is our year", only to finish invariably 9th or lower (with one exception in the last 20 years), have not had a single season positive season (with more wins than losses) in the last 20 years, are about to go back to where they never should have come back from, but are saved by the big bucks from Rusty and PHAC, and then proceed to follow their biggest rivals lead, and try to buy anything that moves from under other clubs noses, without any care or interest in morals or ethics...

Calling other people's opinions and thoughts tiresome and pathetic doesn't become you Ning, like it wouldn't become me to do the same to you, just because you like souffs.

I am pretty sure the "Pride of the League" tag has been around since the 40's. It is just a part of history of our team just like our colours. It is very much over used now days but why can't we be proud of our history? 20 premierships is still a great achievement and the calibre of teams are still on par but the game is completely different in the different eras of the game. Are you proud of the Broncos 6 premierships? What makes it any different? Just because you haven't seen Souths win a premiership doesn't mean it is any less an achievement. Plus is the 1992 GF win over the Dragons any less of a win than the Souths vs Newtown in 1955?

The "this is our year" is usually media driven. They ask any former player or stooge for a comment and they give it to them. Then last round comes around and it blows up in their faces and us supporters have to listen to the typical "March premiers" tag. The problem is as fans we want success. We have been going through this tunnel for so long that we would like to come out the other side, we saw some light in 2007 but we quickly went back into another tunnel.

The club went to privatisation as it was the only evolving step we had left. We had spent the past 20 years running the chook raffle way and the results speak for themselves. We had to become professional on and off the field.

Which of our biggest rival did we follow their lead? Roosters, Bulldogs, Manly? How many high profile names have we bought and what is actually wrong with that? 2007 there were a few names in that side but most were all past their best football, plus we still had juniors in the team and we still do now.

Who have we actually bought without care of morals or ethics? Are our player signings actually any different to any other team? Is that part in regards to Inglis? Does it annoy you so much that out of choosing the Broncos or Souths, Inglis was offered something at Souths he prefered. It played out bad in the media but can we be sure that how it actually happened?

I am fine with people hating Souths but frankly your reasons are pretty weak.

 

[Twiztid]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

If that ever happens, that would be cyber bullying. :haha:

But the mods will ban you, before that happens. :wink:

I doubt it would be but I wouldn't do it anyway as I am not that type of supporter, even though I would be thinking it. Mostly directed at Rocky for the crap he has given me.

I wasn't looking for a bite at all. The lol@souffs thing was purely intended as a joke, but you demostrated I got under your skin when you chose to make it personal. Had you simply written the above post without the first paragraph, I would've immensely respected you for it.

You didn't get under my skin. As I said I found the joke funny and see the joke there but it is a 2011 joke and it is no longer funny and is just dumb now. Plus the time it must take you to write it down just doesn't make sense either, do you shortcut it to just copy and paste it to save time?

I was being very general with my dickhead comment but it is no different to the dickhead souths fans who come out in March saying "it is our year". If you don't want to be stereotyped as a lol@souffs dickhead, don't type it, people might respect you more for actually typing Souths instead.

Haha another thread turned into a Souths discussion, one seems to come around every few months.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Actually, LOL@5(c)uff$ typed that way, is a very 2012 thing, since it refers to Souths 5 captains.
Regardless of what you think about the idea or phenomenon, calling someone a dickhead for it, is taking it to a personal level. As I said before, I meant nothing else by it than to throw a joke in, that was relevant to the discussion at hand...

There is nothing wrong to be proud about your heritage and history, but there is a lot to hate about using it to try to demonstrate superiority to clubs who have achieved so much more than yours in the last 40 years. I don't see supporters from any other team act so foolish about their team's hopes and chances.
Under McGuire this year, Souths has as good a chance as any to finally break the hoodoo of putting together a positive season. While I acknowledge that, they are not the world beaters most supporters claim they are, and I'd love nothing more than to see those supporters put back in their place with another 9th place this season. And trust me, I would definitely LOL!

It's one thing to be positive and believe in your team, which every supporter should do. It's an entire different thing to act like your team is finally going to get what "they're entitled to", because they are the pride of the league, blah blah.
Most other teams who haven't won anything in a long time have supporters who can be as passionate as any other, but most will be humble and realistically hopeful about their team's chances. It's what I do, and my team IS an NRL powerhouse!

I respect the second ones a lot, and totally despise the first. They remind me of soccer supporters who live in the past and refuse to acknowledge their team is no longer at the top of the food chain.

Gotta love "the media did it" excuse for the fans outrageous claims, and now also for the Inglis saga, or the Luke Lewis saga in a recent past.
You can believe what you want... Me, I see a club poaching players who have committed to other clubs, but just haven't put pen to paper. To me that is simply of the lowest moral and ethical values you can think of. This goes for the club's leaders as much as for the players in question. Inglis is a footballing freak, but a crappy human being as far as I'm concerned. And yes, I will trust the word of Andrew Gee, Hook or Paul White a 100 times over Inglis or Rusty's word!

And to answer your question about what is wrong with buying players in droves... I call it cheque book rugby league, and find it despicable.

To make a long story short, my reasons are very valid and strong for me. Souths is a clear example of what I hate in sports!

 

[Twiztid]

Re: Round 16 Discussion

Actually, LOL@5(c)uff$ typed that way, is a very 2012 thing, since it refers to Souths 5 captains.
Regardless of what you think about the idea or phenomenon, calling someone a dickhead for it, is taking it to a personal level. As I said before, I meant nothing else

by it than to throw a joke in, that was relevant to the discussion at hand...

Oh well, I am sorry if you are offended by the term "dickhead". The concept of the joke is still from 2011 and though it may have a 2012 addition to it, it is no longer funny. If you want to seem fresh and new make up one for Parramatta or even the Panthers for this year. Plus it goes from originally being a piss take on how our supporter base are supposed to say Souths due to the whole missing teeth myth, to saying scuffs.

There is nothing wrong to be proud about your heritage and history, but there is a lot to hate about using it to try to demonstrate superiority to clubs who have achieved so much more than yours in the last 40 years. I don't see supporters from any other team act so foolish about their team's hopes and chances.

People take the history too far for the simple reason we have nothing else, because we have been shit. While the admin of the club continued to piss away and not update to the current Rugby League landscape, which took until Russell and Peter came on board. No other supporters in the game have the same history of both great times and shits times like we do. All the supporters long for is a return to that greatness that almost every club has been able to experience but due to how poorly run the club was off the field and how the game changed with correct payment of players, we lost a lot of great players and the club fell behind in the late 80's never to recover. A reason we were kicked out and due to the fact we wouldn't merge.

Under McGuire this year, Souths has as good a chance as any to finally break the hoodoo of putting together a positive season. While I acknowledge that, they are not the world beaters most supporters claim they are, and I'd love nothing more than to see those supporters put back in their place with another 9th place this season. And trust me, I would definitely LOL!

Under McQuire we have looked the best in some time. I still think we need to bring back our 2007 defence which was the most dominating it had been in 20 years. Yet after that finals experience we turned to mush. The last few years have also been tarnished by some long term injuries to key players and the kids that stood up almost helped produce the goods but when it came to the crunch games we needed to win to stay alive and make the finals again, we choked.

It's one thing to be positive and believe in your team, which every supporter should do. It's an entire different thing to act like your team is finally going to get what "they're entitled to", because they are the pride of the league, blah blah.
Most other teams who haven't won anything in a long time have supporters who can be as passionate as any other, but most will be humble and realistically hopeful about their team's chances. It's what I do, and my team IS an NRL powerhouse!

I don't think any Souths fans think that. If they do think like that they are stupid. Rugby League is all about earning it on the field, it isn't handed on a silver platter. The only way that is earned is by playing for 80 mins every game and playing consistent football and we haven't done that for years.

You support the Broncos, a team who yes is currently the NRL powerhouse, no denying that. A team with 20 years of success and only 4 failed years, with this year possibly shaping up to be another successful year. As a supporter of such a successful club, I think it is really hard for you to judge the merits of fans of losing teams as you have never faced the mindset of failure like we have.

I respect the second ones a lot, and totally despise the first. They remind me of soccer supporters who live in the past and refuse to acknowledge their team is no longer at the top of the food chain.

If people think like that then it is the wrong mindset. As I said earlier, we crave success so bad that for some people it comes across wrong. However I try to word it the correct way and whatever you are wanting to achieved needs to be earned. We earned the right to call ourselves "Pride of the League" back in the 40's - 70's during our dominate eras. Fast forward to now and we are only the "Pride of the League" on paper, in the history books.

We can call ourselves that but we are not that, we won't be that until we start winning again and win premierships again. How long that will take remains to be seen and if any of us or the club will still be around for it to actually happen is the next thing.

Gotta love "the media did it" excuse for the fans outrageous claims,

I don't know if you are based in NSW or QLD. NSW media likes a Souths story because it sells papers. I know the Rabbitohs media manager personally and have asked him about various articles and he says the journos ring him up say "we heard this, we are going to run it". He replies with "none of that is actually true". He then processed to tell me how it actually unfolded. The journo replies with "That is what our sources say, so we are running it anyway".

Earlier in the year. I think Broncoman put up an article from the Daily Telegraph - this thread - http://broncoshq.com/showthread.php/20086-Souths-are-dreaming-AGAIN I looked at the article and laughed at how much they were reaching to find the typical "our year" story and I commented on it in that thread.

The Daily Telegraph likes to go to 5 people for comment - George Piggins, John Sattler, Mario Fenech, Craig Coleman and Sean Garlick. George Piggins bags Russell and Peter when they are doing a trash piece or come back to the club piece and they go to the past players for a "our year" stories, because these people give them the comments they want. Fans do want it to be our year. We see some glimmers of light throughout the season for the past few years and then see it fall into the heap and then the comments made by the former players makes us the laughing stock again.

I believe Mario and Satts had a story about a month ago talking up how good we are playing under Macguire. Maguire told those guys to tone down their excitement because it was unwarranted. Yes Maguire does seem to getting something out of the players we haven't seen before but we only just finished round 16. We still have a long way to go and if anything happens, well it very much happens. If we make the finals it is good and if we fail again it is another bad year to add to the collection.

Just like Dave Taylor's loose tongue last year "I can see us winning it," Taylor told The Daily Telegraph. "I definitely think we can have a good crack at the finals, and once you're there it's open slather". Comments like that over hype our year when we have disappointing end to it, but it still opens to the fact that DT probably meant "I can see us making the finals. Once we get into the finals we can give it a good crack due to it being open slather". Either way he said it the way he did and it looks bad at seasons end.

and now also for the Inglis saga, or the Luke Lewis saga in a recent past.
You can believe what you want... Me, I see a club poaching players who have committed to clubs, but just haven't put pen to paper. To me that is simply of the lowest

moral and ethical values you can think of. This goes for the club's leaders as much as for the players in question. Inglis is a footballing freak, but a crappy human

being as far as I'm concerned. And yes, I will trust the word of Andrew Gee, Hook or Paul White a 100 times over Inglis or Rusty's word!

This is where I think the Broncos ability to produce quality juniors clouds your judgement a bit. If you actually look back since Richo came to the club as CEO, you will notice a very big pattern of signings, players he has dealt with in the past. Luke Lewis is another example. Why are we not allowed to try and sign him again? He was off contract wasn't he? That is what we are allowed to do in rugby league now and every team does it, some teams more than others. Are we really any worse than other teams that makes you resent us more? The whole reason we fell behind the rest of the teams was because we failed to pay the right prices for players and they left weaken what was a strong team in the late 80's.

I don't know what the story with the Inglis signing is, I just know that the truth is in there somewhere. Some of it happened as it was said in the papers and some of it didn't happen. Are Andrew Gee's comments there to just discredit Inglis similar to how Russell came out with a tweet about how much Sandow was actually getting and not the reported $300k Parra were saying only to discredit Parramatta.

And to answer your question about what is wrong with buying players in droves... I call it cheque book rugby league, and find it despicable.

You must hate the Bulldogs, Parra, Titans look at the huge leg up they had in their first year, the difference of team the Titans were allowed to sign in their first year compared to our first year after being kicked out, no wonder we sucked. Manly, Roosters, Storm, Cronulla etc. The only team you can really say that don't buy a great deal of players are the Broncos and Warriors, otherwise almost every other team does. Why is it chequebook rugby league when Souths try to buy talented players to help their up and coming juniors get to the level they need to be? Most of the players we signed were off contract anyways. I can remember when we had trouble getting the talented players or had to pay huge overs to even get them thinking about coming.[/quote]

To make a long story short, my reasons are very valid and strong for me. Souths is a clear example of what I hate in sports!

Fair enough. I still think you are being very generic in your hatred for a team when these elements work with every other team but it is what you feel and you are allowed to stand by it. This is not put forward however when you use the lol@souths joke as it is an outdated joke that was funny but is not stale to the majority of supporters who saw the humour in it, even used it for a while but have since moved on.

Either way another rant down the drain. Enjoy the Souths hatred and hopefully we can prove your opinions wrong over this year and the next few years on the field and at some point your hatred may change.

 

[Coxy]

TLDR

 

[Twiztid]

Coxy you should know by now I like a good Souths rant.. Lol. If anyone read it, well done.