Fatboy
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$5.50 is actually very generous odds.
Browny
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- Apr 9, 2008
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Hope this stings and gives them a reality check
Scorchie
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We didn’t miss the finals until 2010’s. Whatcha mean 20 years
_wwong
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- Folau went to afl
-Inglis handshake gate
- heavy weight Ben barba
- Gerard Beale flying knee
- almost signing Dugan only for him to get sacked before arriving
McHunt
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Read it again.
Morkel
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What ***** me right off is the fact that we can't just do what the best teams do. We can't live offside, we can't leave early to get line speed. We can't hold down in tackles, we can't grub up. The moment we try, we get penalised or 6-again'd out of the game, and we are told that we need to fix our discipline.
What I saw between the Roosters and Storm the other night was an absolute disgrace. Two teams that are allowed to get away with so much that it's laughable to pretend that we just need to "get better".
Let's take away the conspiracy bullshit and look at it without any "why", it is absolutely undeniable that we get shafted in just about every facet of the game. Blair -> Lodge -> TPJ > Flegler. Whoever is our "enforcer" they get raped by the refs and the judiciary. There is no debating this, there is a clear and undeniable pattern. Had any of the above carried on like NAS, JWH, or Radley do, while they were still in our jersey, they would be gone for half a season and the media would escort them out of the code.
How do we overcome this? There is no mistaking that we've been poor with our handling, and making tactical mistakes at certain moments on the field, and you add this to the players we have injured, this has led to far more fatigue than an NRL team can overcome, resulting in ineffective defence and a leaking of points. We need to sort those things out. But even if we do, even if we play games that are almost blemish free (eg, against the Panthers earlier this year), we are still refereed out of games by either deliberate or subconscious bias.
The Broncos as an organisation needs to throw their weight around with the NRL and get some kind of explanation or at least an acknowledgement, so we can be allowed to compete on a level playing field. Or, we tell the NSWRL to go **** themselves and go full Super League.
What I saw between the Roosters and Storm the other night was an absolute disgrace. Two teams that are allowed to get away with so much that it's laughable to pretend that we just need to "get better".
Let's take away the conspiracy bullshit and look at it without any "why", it is absolutely undeniable that we get shafted in just about every facet of the game. Blair -> Lodge -> TPJ > Flegler. Whoever is our "enforcer" they get raped by the refs and the judiciary. There is no debating this, there is a clear and undeniable pattern. Had any of the above carried on like NAS, JWH, or Radley do, while they were still in our jersey, they would be gone for half a season and the media would escort them out of the code.
How do we overcome this? There is no mistaking that we've been poor with our handling, and making tactical mistakes at certain moments on the field, and you add this to the players we have injured, this has led to far more fatigue than an NRL team can overcome, resulting in ineffective defence and a leaking of points. We need to sort those things out. But even if we do, even if we play games that are almost blemish free (eg, against the Panthers earlier this year), we are still refereed out of games by either deliberate or subconscious bias.
The Broncos as an organisation needs to throw their weight around with the NRL and get some kind of explanation or at least an acknowledgement, so we can be allowed to compete on a level playing field. Or, we tell the NSWRL to go **** themselves and go full Super League.
Sproj
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Add it to the list. All the best teams getting all the calls except us. Somehow we come against teams that are consistently perfect for 50 minutes.
Sproj
Immortal
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None of them finished on the points we are though, we are breaking new ground...therefore, we will become the first team next year to be demoted despite not having a promotion / demotion system.
thenry
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Fucking this!
Cult
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It matters to Walters and his bonus, but otherwise who cares. This team shouldn't be playing finals footy, neither should anyone other than the top 4 this year.
mrslong
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- Mar 25, 2008
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In theory I agree with you, but we have had zero line speed the last couple of months. If we were indeed moving up in a line together and putting on pressure I’d be so angry, but we don’t. Payne haas sits on his heels and waits for the line to come to him, while Flegler shoots up off the line and the ref makes the decision he’s offside, because it looks like he is. LINE SPEED TOGETHER, over and over and over. You get pinged for it once or twice and that is what allows you to live off side. We don’t do it.
Morkel
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How do you get any sort of line speed when you have to get back 12-13 metres in defence?
Cult
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This would be so easy to prove if anyone wanted to. The double standards and different rulings would make a great comparison video.
lynx000
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Does anyone actually know who coaches the defence, is it Matterson?
Santa
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And to be fair, when you look at the stats we don't get called that much for being inside the 10 compared to all the other teams. We are also one of the lowest penalised teams this year.
Jason Simmons
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- Apr 18, 2013
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Running hard would be a start. Up in a straight line and then run hard back to position.
But that is seemingly too much to expect from these “superstars”…
Even though they watch other teams do it against us almost every week…
Morkel
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The TV is too difficult as the tight shots rarely have the ruck and the defensive line in the one shot. At the game it is blatantly obvious if you are sitting along the sides. The Holy Grail though would be if anyone could get their sweaty hands on Spidercam. Hoooo baby.
Morkel
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You're missing the point of why a longer "10" is crippling us. We are barely getting back to where the ref is holding the line before the opposition is already over the advantage line and coming to us. That's why we seem so passive.
The Storm and to a lesser extent the Cowboys have realised that when you have the ball, you can do anything with the markers. You'll see at least two plays PER SET where the Storm player playing the ball will either move off the mark, or will deliberately hold or fall in to the markers, giving Grant or Smith a saloon passage back behind the ruck. A couple of years ago someone was saying that the Broncos were moving off the mark when they were playing the ball, which is why there was a crackdown for, say, half a week (aka the game that we played), but since the Storm and Cowboys are getting great success out of it, there is crickets. Watch a Storm game and watch their play-the-balls, and when the Cows play, watch Feldt. Every ruck he is trying to milk a penalty and when that doesn't happen, he just grabs the jersey of one of the markers and pushes them to one side. The marker can't do anything because if they try to push back they get penalised. Like most of the rules that get bent, it's amazingly simple and effective, but you're only able to get away with it if the refs let you.
