Broncos High Performance Centre

[nopatience101]

Wanderers play and train all the time at Parramatta Stadium.

You agreed it is behind other teams and needed improvement- so if you don't think improving will enhance performance and equals wins then there is no need to do it- it's a waste of time if the result isn't going to be positive.

I am not aruging with anyone, but you made the statement and should be able to support your view.

Yes, I do think it is needed and it will improve the club in a multitude of ways, but I don't believe training facilities are the sole factor in success like you have suggested that I have. I didn't make the statement that a new gym equals wins or anything remotely like that, you did!

Enlighten us all and support your view, where are the quotes that say I have taken the position you claim I have?

 

[Broncoman]

There is some very good modern facilities at Springfield and there would be plenty of space to add a world class sporting centre there. I would prefer it to be closer to the CBD though and in a place with better public transport access.

 

[1910]

Yes, I do think it is needed and it will improve the club in a multitude of ways, but I don't believe training facilities are the sole factor in success like you have suggested that I have. I didn't make the statement that a new gym equals wins or anything remotely like that, you did!

Enlighten us all and support your view, where are the quotes that say I have taken the position you claim I have?

So hold on- you suggest it is needed- but it won't lead to wins? So why would you want a football club to do something that doesn't improve results? You can assume if you want something redeveloped that some positive outcome is going to come out of it- for a football team that is wins.

What are the multiude of reasons it is needed? I am assuming from that statement you've spent plenty of time there?

I have never mentioned the word sole at all. All I've done is name clubs that have been very successful with very archaic facilities to highlight that modern gyms don't mean results and explained why the gym at Red Hill is the way it is.

Football teams have a lot of moving parts and to quanitify the success of certain parts is very hard to do. What's the percent contribution of the Rooster's gym last year- who knows?

Raiders have the AIS and it isn't helping them!

 

[Bucking Beads]

Raiders have the AIS and it isn't helping them!

 

[nopatience101]

So hold on- you suggest it is needed- but it won't lead to wins? So why would you want a football club to do something that doesn't improve results? You can assume if you want something redeveloped that some positive outcome is going to come out of it- for a football team that is wins.

What are the multiude of reasons it is needed? I am assuming from that statement you've spent plenty of time there?

I have never mentioned the word sole at all. All I've done is name clubs that have been very successful with very archaic facilities to highlight that modern gyms don't mean results and explained why the gym at Red Hill is the way it is.

Football teams have a lot of moving parts and to quanitify the success of certain parts is very hard to do. What's the percent contribution of the Rooster's gym last year- who knows?

Raiders have the AIS and it isn't helping them!

What I have already said is very clear to everyone on here except you.

I am not going to keep going around and around with you trying to justify a statement I didn't make, there is clearly enough voices in your head for you to argue with.

The clubs facilities have fallen behind other clubs more modern facilities, something the club has themselves acknowledged, in order to remain competitive in the competition for the foreseeable future the club cannot afford to be stagnant while others are modernising, there are benefits that extend beyond just having access to more spaciously designed and modern training facilities such as altitude training rooms, to also have value as a recruitment tool for both potential players and coaching staff who value best practices. I agree that clubs have a lot of 'moving parts' and success cannot be quantified to any single one, which is why I took offence to your assertion that I at any point stated that a "new gym=Wins". To make it very clear for the third and hopefully final time, I DID NOT SAY THAT IT DID!

I suggest you read what people actually write and not what you imagine they have written so you can narcissistically jump in and criticise.

 

[Big Pete]

Yep, we've seen enough.

At the end of the day, the club felt like it was a worthwhile investment and np was able to prove that through the quote.

Move on.

 

[Bucking Beads]

 

[vertigo]

Storm had dominated for a long time out of Olympic Park the worst facilities in the world. How'd that happen?

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[CaptainHook]

I wonder if Bennett still has the same opinion that gyms should be 'old school' with no fancy stuff.

What if he ends up returning to the Broncos? I don't think he will despite the speculation.

 

[1910]

What I have already said is very clear to everyone on here except you.

I am not going to keep going around and around with you trying to justify a statement I didn't make, there is clearly enough voices in your head for you to argue with.

The clubs facilities have fallen behind other clubs more modern facilities, something the club has themselves acknowledged, in order to remain competitive in the competition for the foreseeable future the club cannot afford to be stagnant while others are modernising, there are benefits that extend beyond just having access to more spaciously designed and modern training facilities such as altitude training rooms, to also have value as a recruitment tool for both potential players and coaching staff who value best practices. I agree that clubs have a lot of 'moving parts' and success cannot be quantified to any single one, which is why I took offence to your assertion that I at any point stated that a "new gym=Wins". To make it very clear for the third and hopefully final time, I DID NOT SAY THAT IT DID!

I suggest you read what people actually write and not what you imagine they have written so you can narcissistically jump in and criticise.

Inference and cause and effect aren't being comprehened very well by you. I haven't said you've said anything. My first instance of talking about 'wins' was a question and had a question mark based on your agreeance with the quote from the meeting the other day.

You agreed with Denis' point that the gym has fallen behind and his point that clubs that are winning premierships are now ahead. From that the inference is that he and yourself are attributing some percentage of premiership success to the facilities- which the Broncos now need because you said it's an arms race and they've fallen behind.

Football clubs only spend money on things that equal increased perfomance/wins- that's why they do things. If a football department asks for something first question will be why and what will it contribute to increased performance and wins, after how much does it cost.

If you're against in this example the old gym and for a new gym- one can resonably expect in the context of a football discussion that you think it will increase positive results/wins for the football team or as I said why would you/they do it?

You're getting upset and claiming you never 'said' it would equal wins- well then if it won't equal wins why the hell would you spend $25 million on something! I would expect if I was writing a cheque for $25 million that it would contribute greatly to wins.

I would of expected an answer beyond plagiarised quotes from Paul White 12 months ago about the redevelopment and some sort of insight on the topic.

I personally love the smallness of the Broncos facility and the fact that it has been redeveloped recently to incorporate the old and the new- players love the facility because not much changes even if you leave and come back. Old boys love the facilities and staff do as well.

But I also understand that like a new car it can look impressive to have a big one and a 2014 model and really the Broncos are in the business of having the best which is fine- but it doesn't mean it is needed.

 

[Porthoz]

I'm by no means a specialist, and have no special knowledge about the NRL clubs, but I do know a fair bit about high performance professional team sports.

You can't afford to confuse culture and tradition with romanticism, and you certainly cannot afford to lag behind the competition, be it with training methodology, technology, research, support structures, equipment and facilities of the medical, logistical or sporting type. If you do, there is no doubt that performance and results will follow suit!

A good team is the sum of all parts, and if one is lacking, the total will be affected. I think this is where Dennis Watt and the Broncos management are coming from, and good on them.
Mind you, it doesn't meant that you have to put all the distractions WB alluded to in the exercise areas for example!

Is the new Performance Centre going to bring more wins? Not on its own, but it will certainly contribute alongside all the other factors.

 

[Gupps01]

Gym's don't have to be fancy. Squat racks, bench press racks, platforms, chin-up bars, dumbbells, pulldown/row machines, benches and some room for torso exercises and to warm up. Training football players hasn't changed alot in the last ten years. I wish I had access to the stuff in the Bronco's gym where I work a few nights a week and thats in a professional sporting organisation.

 

[Dexter]

So do you work in the Broncos gym or do you you wish you had access to their stuff where you work?

 

[Gupps01]

So do you work in the Broncos gym or do you you wish you had access to their stuff where you work?

I wish I had their stuff in the gym I work in. Over summer I had 30 15 year olds going through a gym with 3 bench press racks and 4 squat racks. Trying to get them through in an hour was an interesting challenge.

 

[Foordy]

Just my opinion, but we shouldn't be following the pack, with our high performance center/facilities /technology but we should be setting the pace, so the pack are following us.