Broncos Player Movement and Rumours 2020

[Morepudding]

It is true. You arent that stupid that you think his contract talks only started after he got injured when i'm fairly sure it was even in the press we had been negotiating all season. Its not like all of a sudden he got injured then quickly got himself a huge new contract. When did he pick up his hamstring injury, round 25 or 26 against the cows? Thats fairly late on in the year.

I dont think he was sub par in 2017 either, i do think his form dipped around Origin time when he lost his spot to Billy tbf.

Yeah they would have started them early, and whether he had the hamstring Injury or not, 4 years is too much for someone at his age, especially as a fullback who has to run a lot. Once he got the hamstring Injury, they should have reassessed before signing it. Whichever way you look at it. We are the loses out of the deal. I just hope Darius has the decency to move to wing or retire at season's end of we are absolutely rooted for the foreseeable future.

 

[Wolfie]

Yeah they would have started them early, and whether he had the hamstring Injury or not, 4 years is too much for someone at his age, especially as a fullback who has to run a lot. Once he got the hamstring Injury, they should have reassessed before signing it. Whichever way you look at it. We are the loses out of the deal. I just hope Darius has the decency to move to wing or retire at season's end of we are absolutely rooted for the foreseeable future.

I'm not disagreeing 4 years was too much.

 

[Porthoz]

It is true. You arent that stupid that you think his contract talks only started after he got injured when i'm fairly sure it was even in the press we had been negotiating all season. Its not like all of a sudden he got injured then quickly got himself a huge new contract. When did he pick up his hamstring injury, round 25 or 26 against the cows? Thats fairly late on in the year.

I dont think he was sub par in 2017 either, i do think his form dipped around Origin time when he lost his spot to Billy tbf.

His new contract was signed in October 2017. To use your own words, you aren't that stupid to think his 2017 form (which was below par as a whole, not just after Origin) and injuries (thumb once and hamstring not once, but twice) shouldn't have been taken into account at the time of the signing, no matter when negotiations started.

These are Boyd's own words on the matter FYI:

https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/10/26/boyd-confident-despite-injury-woes/

 

[Morepudding]

"I love coaching Gutho. It’s just great having a fullback who is everywhere, I’ve always stated about Gutho is he’s always first in and last out. I know coming into a game I know what we’re going to get from Clint Gutherson."

The stuff about him being everywhere is exactly what the modern fullback is all about, and is part of the reason for our struggles. I think we win 2-3 more games if we had Tedesco, RTS, Gutho, Turbo, even Michael gordon or someone of that ilk instead of Boyd this year. And don't say oh but they are the best fullbacks or anything because Boyd is on very similar money to them, and in the case of Michael Gordon, probably 3 or 4 times as much.

 

[Wolfie]

His new contract was signed in October 2017. To use your own words, you aren't that stupid to think his 2017 form (which was below par as a whole, not just after Origin) and injuries (thumb once and hamstring not once, but twice) shouldn't have been taken into account at the time of the signing, no matter when negotiations started.

These are Boyd's own words on the matter FYI:

https://www.nrl.com/news/2017/10/26/boyd-confident-despite-injury-woes/

Its your opinion his form was below par, not mine, so you cant claim that as a fact. Its subjective. A broken thumb isnt something we should really worry about, but seeing as he only ever really had one bad injury in his career ( achillies ) and generally has always looked after himself well i dont see why we needed to take his injuries into account. If his injuries were that bad, he wouldnt have passed all the necessary medical checks before he signed his contract ( its standard procedure for players to have medicals before they sign or re-sign contracts ). Either our medical department and specialists we use are not doing their jobs, or he satisfied every check we did on him.

 

[Morepudding]

Its your opinion his form was below par, not mine, so you cant claim that as a fact. Its subjective. A broken thumb isnt something we should really worry about, but seeing as he only ever really had one bad injury in his career ( achillies ) and generally has always looked after himself well i dont see why we needed to take his injuries into account. If his injuries were that bad, he wouldnt have passed all the necessary medical checks before he signed his contract ( its standard procedure for players to have medicals before they sign or re-sign contracts ). Either our medical department and specialists we use are not doing their jobs, or he satisfied every check we did on him.

I think it's the combination of relatively poor form in the lead up, the history of hamstring issues relating to Achilles injuries, and most importantly, his age.

If they signed him for 2 years I'd be fine. But 4 is a huge risk and just not one that makes sense. Sign him for 2. If he plays well, renew again. Simple. He's not a 24 year old with a million clubs after him.

 

[Wolfie]

I think it's the combination of relatively poor form in the lead up, the history of hamstring issues relating to Achilles injuries, and most importantly, his age.

If they signed him for 2 years I'd be fine. But 4 is a huge risk and just not one that makes sense. Sign him for 2. If he plays well, renew again. Simple. He's not a 24 year old with a million clubs after him.

Gutho is a huge risk with his injury background as well.

 

[Morepudding]

Gutho is a huge risk with his injury background as well.

Yeah, but at 24 years of age on 700k with the way he has been playing and the effort he puts in, the risk is considerably less than it was with Boyd imo.

 

[Wolfie]

Yeah, but at 24 years of age on 700k with the way he has been playing and the effort he puts in, the risk is considerably less than it was with Boyd imo.

Age has nothing to do with it. The risk isnt any less on a 24 year old with an injury background. Look at Tautau Moga.

 

[Porthoz]

Its your opinion his form was below par, not mine, so you cant claim that as a fact. Its subjective. A broken thumb isnt something we should really worry about, but seeing as he only ever really had one bad injury in his career ( achillies ) and generally has always looked after himself well i dont see why we needed to take his injuries into account. If his injuries were that bad, he wouldnt have passed all the necessary medical checks before he signed his contract ( its standard procedure for players to have medicals before they sign or re-sign contracts ). Either our medical department and specialists we use are not doing their jobs, or he satisfied every check we did on him.

I didn't present it as fact. Of course it's an opinion and as such... subjective. My thoughts on Boyd's value as a fullback certainly enter the fray, but plenty of other people said the same thing at the time.

Medical checks can't predict the future, but history, age and recent form are definitely indicators that are taken into account by any professional sports organisation, and even he admitted to his continuous hamstring troubles after his achilles, which is why I dropped my jaw when I read the news of his contract renewal, especially its length and value.
I said so at the time, not just in hindsight.

Someone definitely dropped the ball there, and it wasn't Boyd or his manager...

 

[Old Mate]

Yeah they would have started them early, and whether he had the hamstring Injury or not, 4 years is too much for someone at his age, especially as a fullback who has to run a lot. Once he got the hamstring Injury, they should have reassessed before signing it. Whichever way you look at it. We are the loses out of the deal. I just hope Darius has the decency to move to wing or retire at season's end of we are absolutely rooted for the foreseeable future.

Darius “I’m playing good footy” Boyd to retire?

 

[Super Freak]

If the broncos hierarchy are watching this battle of the west, surely the thought of signing M.Moses for 2020 has to be popping into at least one of their heads.
He’s putting on a clinic. His kicking game would compliment Milford nicely and his goal kicking would also be a massive plus. He also enjoys “owning” the team.

Well worth going after IMO.

I really can't see Moses and Milford working together.

 

[Morepudding]

Age has nothing to do with it. The risk isnt any less on a 24 year old with an injury background. Look at Tautau Moga.

Okay this is the dumbest thing you've said hands down. Of course age has something to do with it. Risk of reinjury etc. increases with age. Also, ACL injuries actually don't have many other side affects, whilst achilies injuries are well known to have issues with hamstrings and lower back.

 

[Wolfie]

I didn't present it as fact. Of course it's an opinion and as such... subjective. My thoughts on Boyd's value as a fullback certainly enter the fray, but plenty of other people said the same thing at the time.

Medical checks can't predict the future, but history, age and recent form are definitely indicators that are taken into account by any professional sports organisation, and even he admitted to his continuous hamstring troubles after his achilles, which is why I dropped my jaw when I read the news of his contract renewal, especially its length and value.
I said so at the time, not just in hindsight.

Someone definitely dropped the ball there, and it wasn't Boyd or his manager...

If he had some severe damage to his hamstring it should have been picked up tbf, same if his achillies was an issue. The only people who can possibly be held responsible are whoever checked him out, and if they said their were issues then surely thats an issue for whoever did the financials and signed off on his contract. The value of his contract never bothered me, the length did.

 

[Wolfie]

Okay this is the dumbest thing you've said hands down. Of course age has something to do with it. Risk of reinjury etc. increases with age. Also, ACL injuries actually don't have many other side affects, whilst achilies injuries are well known to have issues with hamstrings and lower back.

How is it dumb? As i said, look at Moga. A year older than Gutho, four ACL injuries. You wouldnt give him a big money contract. Gutho isnt going to suddenly get younger, he is getting older, and he has had 2 ACL injuries. Doesnt matter how old you are, if you have a weakness, its a weakness. You have to be kidding if you think ACL injuries dont have side effects. Arthritis, you lose the range of motion you once had, increases the wear and tear on the knee cartilage amongst other things.

 

[Morepudding]

How is it dumb? As i said, look at Moga. A year older than Gutho, four ACL injuries. You wouldnt give him a big money contract. Gutho isnt going to suddenly get younger, he is getting older, and he has had 2 ACL injuries. Doesnt matter how old you are, if you have a weakness, its a weakness. You have to be kidding if you think ACL injuries dont have side effects. Arthritis, you lose the range of motion you once had, increases the wear and tear on the knee cartilage.

Mate, you need to calm down. You are so defensive about everything and so misguided.

I'd like to point out that Darren Lockyer, Andrew Johns and JT all had ACL Injuries in their career. If you actually look at medical history (which i am certain you have zero reputable knowledge on), ACL injuries, although they are obviously major and not a good injury, they do have less immediate issues related to them from a movement standpoint than Achilles injuries.

You're clearly too involved with the players to ever accept some negative comment. Are you Lucky Singh (FB guy who comments on every post and is just too positive)

 

[Porthoz]

If he had some severe damage to his hamstring it should have been picked up tbf, same if his achillies was an issue. The only people who can possibly be held responsible are whoever checked him out, and if they said their were issues then surely thats an issue for whoever did the financials and signed off on his contract. The value of his contract never bothered me, the length did.

Sorry, that's not how soft tissue injuries work, especially when it comes to hamstrings. A hamstring can appear perfectly healthy while still being prone to tearing, and that is a fact.
Achilles injuries are notorious for causing hamstring problems as a result of a player's change in posture, movement and/or gait during and after rehab, while age is absolutely of great importance in recovery and healing expectations.

Anyone who had a say, but didn't raise a red flag on his contract length and value is responsible IMO.

 

[Morepudding]

Sorry, that's not how soft tissue injuries work, especially when it comes to hamstrings. A hamstring can appear perfectly healthy while still being prone to tearing, and that is a fact.
Achilles injuries are notorious for causing hamstring problems as a result of a player's change in posture, movement and/or gait during and after rehab, while age is absolutely of great importance in recovery and healing expectations.

Anyone who had a say, but didn't raise a red flag on his contract length and value is responsible IMO.

Nah porthoz, you have to be wrong. Wolfie said so man. ACL is the worst. You don't want them... :|

Seriously, I used to respect the stuff that he posted and he would provide some good insight in to the younger players coming through, but 2019 seems like the year of "Boyd is good value at 750k for 4 years" and "Patrick Carrigan should be starting lock every week and play the full 80 because he is the best player of all time"