Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2021

[I bleed Maroon]

I actually think the declined happened with Bennett. He stacked the side for a short window, exactly what hes doing with Souffs. The board clearly gave him control due to his pulling power. After players from that side were moved on, which had to happen, there was nothing left in the wings. There was no succession planning embedded.

Same thing happened at Dragons, similar thing at Knights - although knights was a mess everywhere.

We're definitely at Knights post Bennett level.

 

[Sproj]

Bradman Best has re-signed with the Knights to no fanfare of other clubs wanting him and two years before his contract finished. He’s a better all round centre with upside than Staggs yet he signed on early and because according to him, he loves the club. Do you think anyone at our club might see a lesson in this?

 

[Kooly87]

I honestly feel like the biggest and most necessary improvements we can make are off-field signings.

Was listening to Angus Chrichton on Bloke in a Bar podcast (you're welcome, Denan) and he was highlighting things the roosters and the coaching staff do well and several times he singled out that the support staff - the medical team, the physios, the talent scouts, the assistant coaches etc all do a really elite job supporting Trent Robinson and helping the club run smoothly.

Just made me think that it seems like these staff at the Broncos are really poor - the constant injuries, the inability to diagnose injuries, the decision to have Fifta's surgery last year months after the comp was paused, rather than right away... It really seems like we need to do a better job assembling a competent support team around the players. The most baffling part of it is that its all salary cap exempt... as the biggest and richest club in the league we should be using our resources to our advantage to assemble a brilliant off-field core and using this edge over the rest of the competition.

Think the whole football operation needs a massive overhaul, not just the playing roster

You're 100% correct apart from the bit about it being salary cap exempt. The support staff you mentioned are absolutely part of every club's Football Department salary cap which is now in place these days.

It doesn't absolve the Broncos of blame as you pointed out, but it is worth noting we can't just spend our way out of this one.

 

[Kooly87]

Bradman Best has re-signed with the Knights to no fanfare of other clubs wanting him and two years before his contract finished. He’s a better all round centre with upside than Staggs yet he signed on early and because according to him, he loves the club. Do you think anyone at our club might see a lesson in this?

Yep, knowing our players then lesson they've probably taken out of it is that they should be playing for the Knights.

 

[theshed]

Bradman Best has re-signed with the Knights to no fanfare of other clubs wanting him and two years before his contract finished. He’s a better all round centre with upside than Staggs yet he signed on early and because according to him, he loves the club. Do you think anyone at our club might see a lesson in this?

The lesson is Seibold’s aura around Newcastle is resulting in players signing for less.

 

[Galah]

You're 100% correct apart from the bit about it being salary cap exempt. The support staff you mentioned are absolutely part of every club's Football Department salary cap which is now in place these days.

It doesn't absolve the Broncos of blame as you pointed out, but it is worth noting we can't just spend our way out of this one.

The bronco rule.....

 

[lynx000]

I think it is hard to argue his regime wasn’t worse than Cullen’s, that says everything. In fact, his regime was one of the worst in the history of rugby league I’d argue. How can you take an absolute powerhouse with all the advantages the Broncos have and turn it into an abject laughing stock with little light at the end of the tunnel?

Really??? Really??? You want to have a bit of a re-think on that and revisit that conclusion. Just to provide you with something to consider - Multiple Gold Coast regimes - all failed. Paramatta Eels, cheating the salary cap and keeping minutes of it and still fielding an unsuccessful team. Newton and North Sydney, not being able to survive to stay in the comp. South Sydney kicked out of the comp. St George and Illawarra Steelers forced ot merge, Balmain and Wests ditto. Canterbury, multiple scandals, board unrest, lengthy periods of a lack of success.

During his time here we missed the eight twice and we have been financially successful, even last year in a shit storm of a year. But sure, his regime is one of the worst in the history of rugby league. FMD, get a grip.

 

[Sproj]

Really??? Really??? You want to have a bit of a re-think on that and revisit that conclusion. Just to provide you with something to consider - Multiple Gold Coast regimes - all failed. Paramatta Eels, cheating the salary cap and keeping minutes of it and still fielding an unsuccessful team. Newton and North Sydney, not being able to survive to stay in the comp. South Sydney kicked out of the comp. St George and Illawarra Steelers forced ot merge, Balmain and Wests ditto. Canterbury, multiple scandals, board unrest, lengthy periods of a lack of success.

During his time here we missed the eight twice and we have been financially successful, even last year in a shit storm of a year. But sure, his regime is one of the worst in the history of rugby league. FMD, get a grip.

Yeah you are right, financially successful, therefore I should be grateful to the bloke for running my club into the ground where it actually matters, on the field.

 

[lynx000]

Yeah you are right, financially successful, therefore I should be grateful to the bloke for running my club into the ground where it actually matters, on the field.

Did you miss the part of the post where I mentioned we made the eight every year of his tenure bar two years, last year being one of them and that included a grand final appearance in 2015 that we by rights had won until the last minute. But yes, worst regime in history for playing record as well. Well done.

 

[lynx000]

Yeah you are right, financially successful, therefore I should be grateful to the bloke for running my club into the ground where it actually matters, on the field.

Do you get the point I am trying to make btw? Your hyperbole damages your credibility and the credibility of your posts.

 

[Sproj]

Do you get the point I am trying to make btw? Your hyperbole damages your credibility and the credibility of your posts.

Fair point and yes, I am salty because of how it has all ended, I am not going to apologise for that. Am I exaggerating? Absolutely. Am I wrong about it being one of the worst regimes of all time? Probably but look how it has all ended, the club is an abject laughing stock despite all its advantages. Almost everyone in any position working for the club on and off the field would be lucky to be in the top ten of their respective roles, it is absolutely disgraceful.

So yes, sorry I have exaggerated but not sorry I can't stand what this bloke has turned the club into.

 

[theshed]

Did you miss the part of the post where I mentioned we made the eight every year of his tenure bar two years, last year being one of them and that included a grand final appearance in 2015 that we by rights had won until the last minute. But yes, worst regime in history for playing record as well. Well done.

I’m not taking sides but I do want to point out that all those examples of shit clubs you posted almost none of them had a single season, based on results, as bad broncos last year. Whether that alone is enough to label White the worse ever is an argument for someone who cares more than me to have. But our lowest point, performance wise, was historic, and it was flattered by a shorter season.

 

[lynx000]

Fair point and yes, I am salty because of how it has all ended, I am not going to apologise for that. Am I exaggerating? Absolutely. Am I wrong about it being one of the worst regimes of all time? Probably but look how it has all ended, the club is an abject laughing stock despite all its advantages. Almost everyone in any position working for the club on and off the field would be lucky to be in the top ten of their respective roles, it is absolutely disgraceful.

So yes, sorry I have exaggerated but not sorry I can't stand what this bloke has turned the club into.

I do admire your passion for the cause.

 

[lynx000]

I’m not taking sides but I do want to point out that all those examples of shit clubs you posted almost none of them had a single season, based on results, as bad broncos last year. Whether that alone is enough to label White the worse ever is an argument for someone who cares more than me to have. But our lowest point, performance wise, was historic, and it was flattered by a shorter season.

Hmmm, would you consider taking an outlier year (which involved a shit load of circumstances out of the control of Paul White - such as, pandemic, bubble, the injuries, the rule changes, the suspensions) and using that year to judge an 11 year reign as being fair?

I think most reasonable people would struggle with that approach, don't you?

 

[tommy]

Hmmm, would you consider taking an outlier year (which involved a shit load of circumstances out of the control of Paul White - such as, pandemic, bubble, the injuries, the rule changes, the suspensions) and using that year to judge an 11 year reign as being fair?

I think most reasonable people would struggle with that approach, don't you?

Every team faced those exact same challenges. Every other team appeared to have at least trained at a personal level while isolating. We came back looking as though we had been on holiday.

 

[broncos4life]

Do you get the point I am trying to make btw? Your hyperbole damages your credibility and the credibility of your posts.

Sure he exaggerated and I take your point but White's tenure was not successful, not worst in history but pretty fucking poor given the history and resources we have. Not only did his final season end with a wooden spoon but the decisions in terms of recruitment he oversaw have crippled us to a point that it most likely will take years to get to a point that we are competing for the 8, let alone premierships.

I think there is a very good reason that White slinked out the back door on Friday with no fanfare and we will be paying for his mistakes as a fan base for a long time.

 

[broncos4life]

Hmmm, would you consider taking an outlier year (which involved a shit load of circumstances out of the control of Paul White - such as, pandemic, bubble, the injuries, the rule changes, the suspensions) and using that year to judge an 11 year reign as being fair?

I think most reasonable people would struggle with that approach, don't you?

Every other team had those conditions and you are judged on your most recent performance in any industry.

 

[lynx000]

Every team faced those exact same challenges. Every other team appeared to have at least trained at a personal level while isolating. We came back looking as though we had been on holiday.

And is that the fault of the CEO?