Exactly! your just proving my point that you can't compare us with them when they have such limited players out of school. I swear you choose to only read what you want. The point is that they're players are obviously playing more reserve grade if they are being picked up at the age of 22,22,23, what the **** else would they be doing? Also your Tino point is invalid he debuted at 19 that's no earlier than most of our players, Payne, Coates, Dearden and Niu are the only ones to debut at 18 and all of them were in a small capacity (e.g. less than 5 games). We get some of the best players out of school and we are expected to stash out 400-500k before debuting to keep them and admittedly there not ready, its so stupid. You can't develop players slowly or they leave for a larger deal elsewhere and then we get slammed for the players we lose, and as a result our recruitment and retention habits changing because of it and we become a basket case like we are now. I personally don't think you can compare our club with any other in the competition because there is nowhere near as much hype, scrutiny and advertisement over the players we have and their 'ability'. It's unrivalled. What comes with these puff pieces? Arrogant teenagers who shouldn't be playing first grade for a number of years, admittedly. But if we want to keep them, than they must play. Its disappointing but its play them or lose them, thats the reality.