Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2021

[Foordy]

p.s. i could have got those quotes from both Kevvie and Hodges without ever asking if we plan to try and get Walsh back

 

[Bull Shark]

according to McHunt (Badel) the we are launching a "shock" plan to bring Walsh back home.

Kevvie says:

“We never wanted to lose Reece,” Walters said ahead of Walsh’s maiden showdown with the Broncos at Suncorp.

“We are a Queensland-based club and I had high hopes for Reece to play for the Broncos.

“I wished Reece all the best at the Warriors. He has been playing some good footy for them, which I expected him to do, but he’s only young.

“I’m not sure what will happen down the track, but Reece is always welcome back here, certainly.”


Craig Hodges (Warriors assistant says)

“The Broncos would be mad not to have a crack at Reece and there will always be the family connection to come home to Brisbane,” he said.

“But if he feels valued with what we are doing, there might be no reason for Reece to leave.

“It might not be as simple as Brisbane wanting him back, so they’ll get him back.

“I guess a bit of that will come down to the type of club we are building at the Warriors and whether he feels he wants to be a part of that.

“If we travel on the path I’m expecting us to go on as a club in the coming years, it might be too exciting for Reece to leave.”

Now THIS is the fullback we should be going hard at..

 

[Financeguy]

If you can picture this. Melbourne defending, us attacking and still behind our own 40 metre line, 5th tackle. Deliberate slow ptb to ensure our long punter is ready and correctly placed, ball passed straight back, (grid iron style if we wanted but I know, unnecessary) our boy kicks long, low and hard looking for the dead ball line.

It costs just one extra tackle. Thoughts?

Honest question, how many players in our team or even in the NRL can regularly kick 70+ meter low and hard kicks to the dead ball line that also beat the fullback and 2 wingers?

Why not just kick it into touch 20-25 meters out and not give up the extra tackle? Surely that's an easier kick than the one you describe?

 

[1910]

Yeah absolutely, it was a decent tactic when the Walkers first did it a few years back, like you said 6 again has made it a no brainer - especially with drop outs. I wonder how many weeks of a team using it successfully before Vlandy changes the kick off rules to 20m minimum or something though.

Jets had so much variety, Capewell took the one that would drop on the 10m line and give chases a chance and Conlon took the one that drilled it straight at the poor guy standing on the sideline a poor second rower- even if you got a hand on it you dropped it or it went out.

 

[Sproj]

Yo Kevvie, would you love to have Walsh back?

Kevvie: Yep.

Headline: Revealed - Broncos Secret Plan to Bring Walsh Back!

 

[Huge]

The 7-tackle rule was created to stop teams exploiting the dead ball line, now when the average set is >6 tackles anyway, I think you're right that there could be argument for utilising it strategically since the punishment is nowhere near as serious as it once was. I also agree that a slow play the ball to force the opposition to be onside and stay onside and give the kicker the best opportunity to strike the ball is preferable to a quick PTB where the opposition jump offside EVERY time, rush the kicker, who is put under pressure and executes poorly. All the points you raise about the specific scenario are totally valid and true.

As unpopular as the idea might be to some, I think there is absolutely times where it would pay to exploit the rules and slow the game down.

The one that always gets me is when the opposition kicks long, our winger catches the ball in the corner on our own line... our forwards are ambling back onside while the opposition who already chased the kick hard are already in position to defend. Why on earth would we want a quick PTB so that an outside back or whoever happens to be back onside can take a pitiful hitup and get monstered? Slow the play the ball down to a complete standstill, give time for all our forwards to get back behind the line and ready to take a hit up and suddenly the first 3 tackles of the set aren't wasted by outside backs struggling to make metres.

Oh Harry, I think you are fast becoming my favourite! A bloke who actually thinks a Huge thought through and isn't dismissing it outright because it's Huge's.

I went through your gripe in detail a few months ago and feel exactly the same about it. Back then I said as captain( and from prior coaching directives) I'd demand my fowards get back onside. So many get out sets only have one or no forwards involved which I think is insane. Lightweight wingers and centres getting bashed and making shit metres makes no sense to me. Yes, exploit the rules.

One step further. Slow ptbs when down to 12. You can effectively double possession time and half the opposition's time with the advantage. All it takes is less rushing!

 

[upthebroncs]

Jets had so much variety, Capewell took the one that would drop on the 10m line and give chases a chance and Conlon took the one that drilled it straight at the poor guy standing on the sideline a poor second rower- even if you got a hand on it you dropped it or it went out.

Thoughts on the Walker Brothers?

If I were the Cowboys, I would have signed them instead of Payten and then lured in young Sammy Walker to replace Clifford.

 

[Huge]

Honest question, how many players in our team or even in the NRL can regularly kick 70+ meter low and hard kicks to the dead ball line that also beat the fullback and 2 wingers?

Why not just kick it into touch 20-25 meters out and not give up the extra tackle? Surely that's an easier kick than the one you describe?

Actually, I'm 63 and can still kick a football that far, not that it's necessary. I think probably every single player at the Broncos could find the dead ball line from his own half. The kick you describe is the classic 40-20 and they aren't easy to achieve as we can see from the numbers.

It pains me seeing our guys put up what is essentially a midfield bomb. Also, our designated kicker will definitely be able to kick it long enough, that's why we give him the kick!! Those lower trajectory kicks are actually harder to catch than one floating down. Anyway, it's just a thought for discussion. I'm prepared to change my views with convincing reasons.

 

[Jedhead]

according to McHunt (Badel) the we are launching a "shock" plan to bring Walsh back home.

Kevvie says:

“We never wanted to lose Reece,” Walters said ahead of Walsh’s maiden showdown with the Broncos at Suncorp.

“We are a Queensland-based club and I had high hopes for Reece to play for the Broncos.

“I wished Reece all the best at the Warriors. He has been playing some good footy for them, which I expected him to do, but he’s only young.

“I’m not sure what will happen down the track, but Reece is always welcome back here, certainly.”


Craig Hodges (Warriors assistant says)

“The Broncos would be mad not to have a crack at Reece and there will always be the family connection to come home to Brisbane,” he said.

“But if he feels valued with what we are doing, there might be no reason for Reece to leave.

“It might not be as simple as Brisbane wanting him back, so they’ll get him back.

“I guess a bit of that will come down to the type of club we are building at the Warriors and whether he feels he wants to be a part of that.

“If we travel on the path I’m expecting us to go on as a club in the coming years, it might be too exciting for Reece to leave.”

So long as they have that ingrate Brown as their coach they will do nothing. Gould could see the writing on the wall after only a few months and got out of dodge at the first available opportunity.

 

[Alec]

The one that always gets me is when the opposition kicks long, our winger catches the ball in the corner on our own line... our forwards are ambling back onside while the opposition who already chased the kick hard are already in position to defend. Why on earth would we want a quick PTB so that an outside back or whoever happens to be back onside can take a pitiful hitup and get monstered? Slow the play the ball down to a complete standstill, give time for all our forwards to get back behind the line and ready to take a hit up and suddenly the first 3 tackles of the set aren't wasted by outside backs struggling to make metres.

To conserve their stamina.

 

[theshed]

Oh Harry, I think you are fast becoming my favourite! A bloke who actually thinks a Huge thought through and isn't dismissing it outright because it's Huge's.

I went through your gripe in detail a few months ago and feel exactly the same about it. Back then I said as captain( and from prior coaching directives) I'd demand my fowards get back onside. So many get out sets only have one or no forwards involved which I think is insane. Lightweight wingers and centres getting bashed and making shit metres makes no sense to me. Yes, exploit the rules.

One step further. Slow ptbs when down to 12. You can effectively double possession time and half the opposition's time with the advantage. All it takes is less rushing!

That’s by design, not laziness. That’s why wingers are far bigger these days than they used to be, they work as forwards early in the set on kick returns to give the forwards a break. The oldest tactic in the book is to kick long and early to turn big packs around and gas them out, having your backs take 2 or even 3 runs out of your own half leaves your forwards with far more gas in the tank to make tackles and win the arm wrestle.

 

[HarryAllan7]

To conserve their stamina.

That’s by design, not laziness. That’s why wingers are far bigger these days than they used to be, they work as forwards early in the set on kick returns to give the forwards a break. The oldest tactic in the book is to kick long and early to turn big packs around and gas them out, having your backs take 2 or even 3 runs out of your own half leaves your forwards with far more gas in the tank to make tackles and win the arm wrestle.

So instead of having our pack have to turn around and run back to their own goal line while our weak outside backs are getting smashed, you could slow the PTB completely, give your forwards time to amble back (taking a breather as they go) and get ready to come charging onto the ball for a hit up into a defensive line which is forced to be onside at the tap. That's preferable to me than a set defensive line coming up fast together (often WAY offside) smashing our poor outside backs while our forwards are constantly gassed from being turned around by long kicks.

You'd essentially nullify the strengths of an opposing team with an elite long kicking game, while covering our weakness in having no strong ball-carrying outside backs. If you had a team with 2 strong, big wingers who could take pressure off the forwards by taking effective hit-ups then obviously you wouldn't have to employ this tactic, but as it stands, this is a classic example of thinking outside the box to cover a deficiency in our team. It's not as simple as 'fast PTB = good, slow PTB = bad' anymore, and the first teams to figure that out will benefit greatly.

 

[Huge]

That’s by design, not laziness. That’s why wingers are far bigger these days than they used to be, they work as forwards early in the set on kick returns to give the forwards a break. The oldest tactic in the book is to kick long and early to turn big packs around and gas them out, having your backs take 2 or even 3 runs out of your own half leaves your forwards with far more gas in the tank to make tackles and win the arm wrestle.

Oh, I'm familiar with it but thanks for the recap. I do remember Sailor and Tuquiri(?)spelling! What we do see though is because we try for hyperspeed ptbs in that scenario we end up with no forwards doing the work because after 4 hyperlight ptbs they're still just ambling back.

 

[theshed]

Oh, I'm familiar with it but thanks for the recap. I do remember Sailor and Tuquiri(?)spelling! What we do see though is because we try for hyperspeed ptbs in that scenario we end up with no forwards doing the work because after 4 hyperlight ptbs they're still just ambling back.

I definitely agree that teams at times do try too hard to get quick play the balls in that scenario which often leads to a guy like Niu having the second hit up and being driven back to basically the ingoal. Even just delaying by a second or 2 so Oates could get across instead would create more advantage than a quick play the ball when no one is ready for it.

 

[broncos4life]

**** Reece Walsh, he has a shit attitude and we shouldn't even be entertaining having him back and it's embarrassing if the club are.

 

[upthebroncs]

**** Reece Walsh, he has a shit attitude and we shouldn't even be entertaining having him back and it's embarrassing if the club are.

Yeah right. Say it to his face. Nah, you'd rather get his autograph.

 

[broncos4life]

Yeah right. Say it to his face.

What a bizarre thing to say. I wouldn't say this to any footballers face because they could destroy me and also how fucking weird and creepy would that be.

 

[upthebroncs]

What a bizarre thing to say. I wouldn't say this to any footballers face because they could destroy me and also how fucking weird and creepy would that be.

You don't really mean it though so why say it in this forum? What's so shit about his attitude? to the extent of being an embarrassment? I feel like you are just regurgitating a false narrative.