TimWhatley
QCup Player
- Dec 1, 2019
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Do you know which games? I had a bit of a look at the team lists and couldn't see him in the #1 jersey.He played Q Cup in 2019. Some of which was at fullback
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Do you know which games? I had a bit of a look at the team lists and couldn't see him in the #1 jersey.He played Q Cup in 2019. Some of which was at fullback
You look at players like Slater, Tedesco even minichello they didn't have that ball playing ability or showed it they were more of the run first mentality to start off.I don’t think there is a great deal wrong with a bloke playing centre (or fullback), that has played less than 50 games, having a run first mentality. Rarely does a player come into first grade with all the skills.
I also agree I’d like to see him look to setup his outside man more, but I do genuinely believe he’s had very little support in his NRL career from his winger(s).
Indeed, he can only work with what he’s got either side of him, and I think it’s fair to say the entire left side attack has been a shambles for a long time.
Shifting him to the wing will give him even less opportunity, especially in our team that has no idea how to use our wingers (hoping Reynolds can fix this though).
For mine, I’d like to see Staggs in the centres and Farnworth / Cobbo at fullback / the other centre.
From memory he was named in the 5 and was shifted to fullback a number of times but I couldn’t tell you off the top of my head what games that was.Do you know which games? I had a bit of a look at the team lists and couldn't see him in the #1 jersey.
I’m not entirely sure I understand what you’re trying to get at here?He played Q Cup in 2019. Some of which was at fullback
Im not singling him out, I just think he’s shown less ball playing ability than Cobbo, Isaako, and Niu who have all been in the same systems. Also you’re defending of Herbie being capable of ball playing is saying that other good players couldn’t ball play early in their careers either - which if I’m interpreting you correctly, means you agree with me, he doesn’t have ball playing skills at the moment.I’m not entirely sure I understand what you’re trying to get at here?
But if I were to take a guess; you’re trying to say that a handful of games at fullback in QCup as an 18 or 19 year old and less than 50 games in a shitshow of a backline is enough to say he has no ball playing ability?
I’m not trying to pick a fight with you, but I’d suggest you go back and look at Slater (or the others mentioned by @Johnny92 and indeed pretty much every young fullback) when he started out in first grade. A ball player he was not.
Lockyer and KHunt are the only fullbacks that I can remember coming into first grade and looking almost complete as a player from the get-go.
Like I’ve said a number of times, I don’t expect any player to come in and do everything perfectly, it’s just so unreasonable and terribly unrealistic.
And sure, Herbie can definitely improve some areas of his game and I would hope and expect he does, but I don’t think he’s worth singling out nor suggesting he doesn’t have it in him.
Edwards fits the Penrith system well, bit like a Storm player. Take them out of the system and....
No interest whatsoever if adding Edwards means we lose or provide less development or game time to any of our young center 3/4s currently here.
If we lose a vet like Oates then a different matter....
Not weighing in but just pointing out even if Oates leaves, Reynolds is eligibleYou mean lose the guy that’s next up for veteran salary cap relief and will almost nullify his wage back to minimum on the books? Yeh no
How many of those games did he fill in at fullback at some stage?In 25 ISC games, Herbie played centre once and wing 24 times.
Ok, fair enough if you’re not singling him out, my bad.Im not singling him out, I just think he’s shown less ball playing ability than Cobbo, Isaako, and Niu who have all been in the same systems. Also you’re defending of Herbie being capable of ball playing is saying that other good players couldn’t ball play early in their careers either - which if I’m interpreting you correctly, means you agree with me, he doesn’t have ball playing skills at the moment.
How many of those games did he fill in at fullback at some stage?
Isn't it 10 years with the same club?Not weighing in but just pointing out even if Oates leaves, Reynolds is eligible
Isn't it 10 years with the same club?
It's not unfair to single out anyone for criticism. They're all under the microscope. You bash Jake every day. Poor Jake.We have other players in key positions who cant pass. Our main hooker is one of them. Staggs isnt that well known for it either. Bit unfair to single out Herbie in a side thats been pretty weak.
I think Tesi has an alright passing game for a rookie fullback. He always nails those tap-ons to his outside man and from memory he threw a nice cut-out for one of the wingers. It doesnt sound like a lot but it's more than the other first season fullbacks that were running around this year.If we're ruling Herbie out of fullback because he doesn't pass, then Niu is no chance either.