Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2023

[Swordfish]

Out of interest the Courier Mail has stated he refuses to train with the Broncos(which goes against his contract obligations) and has been training with Norths Devils. Any truth to that?

And reading it, **** me dead are we being painted as the absolute villians in this.

I don’t think we’ve taken 1 step wrong here. It’s all crocodile tears from the entitled brat who thinks he’s above the club. Screw him & his attitude. We don’t need this kind of dickheads irrespective of their talents.
With the dumb stunts & statements he’s been making, he will be very far from being successful as long as he plays league. Him & his slimy agent should get screwed over & over.

 

[Swordfish]

So is Karl in danger of being sued since he is not fulfilling his contractual obligations despite not having a legit reason not to?

The grub should be and the club must make a point that we don’t ever deal with this agent at all. Screw the talent of the kids he’s representing. This is Brisbane Broncos & entitled brats have no place here.

 

[BroncosFever]

This is Brisbane Broncos & entitled brats have no place here.

That's a touch hypocritical

 

[Swordfish]

Sorry if this has been posted.

I’ve very much admired Herbie even before he has played a game for us. The true grit & determination in him from a very young age speaks volumes for mine.

How many of us as a 15-16 year olds would’ve gone to a different country away from parents & family to train very hard(in unconventional ways at times) to fulfill our dreams? The courage in him & the effort he puts In every game alone will take him places.

Herbie may not be a “go-to” player(yet) but I get vibes of Locky in him for some reason. I thank DD & the rest of group responsible for extending Herbies contract.
We should sign him up for life if it’s possible .

 

[Wolfie]

He has an existing contract... walking out on it is also illegal.

Needs to be a mutual decision to cut the contract... or a condition within the contract needs to be met to cut.

Karl getting a chicken sandwich isn't one of those conditions... us refusing to release him to the club antagonizing for his release is our prerogative

Well, he hasnt walked out on anything yet, he wants a release. If we grant him one i think we would find it very difficult to stop him going to wherever he wants, even the Dolphins, as long as they pay up. I'm struggling to see though how any club is paying $500k plus a good contract for an unproven 18 year old no matter how highly rated he is.

Personally, i still cant stand how players get away with doing this crap. Haas didnt get any consequence, he only backed down because he was genuinely shocked that the fans turned on him ( what did he expect ) and now Oloapu decides to act like a spoilt brat to get a release as well. Where are the consequences for acting in such a way when you are under contract.

 

[Wolfie]

Depends. We just had Donaghy have to sit on the sidelines for 6 months because of some contract clauses.

Have some good lawyers I guess.

IIRC, Donaghy had a six month non compete clause in his Melbourne contract so he had to sit it out. I'd be surprised if any player has that sort of clause in their contract. Maybe its time they started to be added to stop this rubbish going on, but every club in the comp is tapping up players in one shape or form so it would make it difficult.

 

[Johnny92]

I’ve very much admired Herbie even before he has played a game for us. The true grit & determination in him from a very young age speaks volumes for mine.

How many of us as a 15-16 year olds would’ve gone to a different country away from parents & family to train very hard(in unconventional ways at times) to fulfill our dreams? The courage in him & the effort he puts In every game alone will take him places.

Herbie may not be a “go-to” player(yet) but I get vibes of Locky in him for some reason. I thank DD & the rest of group responsible for extending Herbies contract.
We should sign him up for life if it’s possible .

Because of his work ethic his ceiling is one of the highest in the squad.
He's only going to get better

 

[BroncsFan]

Well, he hasnt walked out on anything yet, he wants a release. If we grant him one i think we would find it very difficult to stop him going to wherever he wants, even the Dolphins, as long as they pay up. I'm struggling to see though how any club is paying $500k plus a good contract for an unproven 18 year old no matter how highly rated he is.

Personally, i still cant stand how players get away with doing this crap. Haas didnt get any consequence, he only backed down because he was genuinely shocked that the fans turned on him ( what did he expect ) and now Oloapu decides to act like a spoilt brat to get a release as well. Where are the consequences for acting in such a way when you are under contract.

He could go wherever he wants if we just terminated the contract; however we have indicated he can talk to other clubs.

He needs to come back with a deal and we can then decide if we're happy to cancel the contract based on what they come back with.

We have also requested a transfer fee, therefore negotiations would be required between the two clubs.... Broncos are refusing to deal with the Dolphins.

I actually think this approach could be a way for clubs to take control of releases when the NSWRL is refusing to punish clubs that are antagonizing for a release.

A club could say "yep have your release, but you cant go to that club". It would mean the club that has been trying to coerce a player to request the release gets no benefit from it.

If you went all the way back to us getting Milf from Canberra... he claimed home sickness... I think he had a clause regarding that in his contract, but if it wasnt there Canberra could've said "fine have your release, but we'll release you to Titans and not Brisbane... that's still local to abide by your home sickness... you still want that release??"

 

[Foordy]

Well, he hasnt walked out on anything yet, he wants a release. If we grant him one i think we would find it very difficult to stop him going to wherever he wants, even the Dolphins, as long as they pay up. I'm struggling to see though how any club is paying $500k plus a good contract for an unproven 18 year old no matter how highly rated he is.

Personally, i still cant stand how players get away with doing this crap. Haas didnt get any consequence, he only backed down because he was genuinely shocked that the fans turned on him ( what did he expect ) and now Oloapu decides to act like a spoilt brat to get a release as well. Where are the consequences for acting in such a way when you are under contract.

If he is refusing to train with us, then that could be deemed "walking out".

but again we hold his contract, and we can determine, who if anyone, we will negotiate a transfer fee with. think of it like the EPL. if a player wants out of his existing club, then his existing club can decide who they will negotiate with. the player can the decide whether to accept the contract offer from the club that have been given permission to negotiate with them.

I think just maybe your affinity for the Phins is clouding your judgment a tad on this one mate.

 

[Wolfie]

He could go wherever he wants if we just terminated the contract; however we have indicated he can talk to other clubs.

He needs to come back with a deal and we can then decide if we're happy to cancel the contract based on what they come back with.

We have also requested a transfer fee, therefore negotiations would be required between the two clubs.... Broncos are refusing to deal with the Dolphins.

I actually think this approach could be a way for clubs to take control of releases when the NSWRL is refusing to punish clubs that are antagonizing for a release.

A club could say "yep have your release, but you cant go to that club". It would mean the club that has been trying to coerce a player to request the release gets no benefit from it.

If you went all the way back to us getting Milf from Canberra... he claimed home sickness... I think he had a clause regarding that in his contract, but if it wasnt there Canberra could've said "fine have your release, but we'll release you to Titans and not Brisbane... that's still local to abide by your home sickness... you still want that release??"

The grey area is the restriction of trade from what i can gather. Without any hard proof a club has tapped him up, if he challenges who he can and cant talk to if we agree to release him he would probably win. The NRL i believe have cleared the Dolphins so in that regard i'm not sure where we stand, i think we would have to find some evidence they have tried to poach him if it went to court. Its a bit different to the Walsh situation where he asked specifically to talk to us.

I think our best option in this mess is to just agree to let him go for silly money no matter who it is. I'm sure if in football Celtic and Rangers can negotiate deals between themsleves i'm sure if the money is right we can do it with the Phins.

 

[Mustafur]

The grey area is the restriction of trade from what i can gather. Without any hard proof a club has tapped him up, if he challenges who he can and cant talk to if we agree to release him he would probably win. The NRL i believe have cleared the Dolphins so in that regard i'm not sure where we stand, i think we would have to find some evidence they have tried to poach him if it went to court. Its a bit different to the Walsh situation where he asked specifically to talk to us.

I think our best option in this mess is to just agree to let him go for silly money no matter who it is. I'm sure if in football Celtic and Rangers can negotiate deals between themsleves i'm sure if the money is right we can do it with the Phins.

restriction of trade applies to out of contract free transfers though doesn't it, alot of sports refer to the Bosman ruling for that.

 

[Wolfie]

If he is refusing to train with us, then that could be deemed "walking out".

but again we hold his contract, and we can determine, who if anyone, we will negotiate a transfer fee with. think of it like the EPL. if a player wants out of his existing club, then his existing club can decide who they will negotiate with. the player can the decide whether to accept the contract offer from the club that have been given permission to negotiate with them.

I think just maybe your affinity for the Phins is clouding your judgment a tad on this one mate.

He hasnt walked yet, but he is breaching his contract, so we should basically keep him under that contract and just not pay him or give him any of the perks that go with it. As i said before before, i think we do what they would do in football and just agree to let him go then put a stupid price on his head.

As much as i like Redcliffe, i dont think i can have a pop at them that much for tapping up players when i know every club in the comp does it. I'm more bothered with the way Karl has conducted himself. I know plenty of players who have been tapped up by the Broncos and other clubs, but they dont do this bullshit to get a move.

 

[WASSHHH]

If the Dolphins want him, they can give us Hammer.

 

[Wolfie]

restriction of trade applies to out of contract free transfers though doesn't it, alot of sports refer to the Bosman ruling for that.

Restriction of trade though is for any job i believe. I think if you can prove another company has illegally tried to poach you, its a different story.

We do hold all the cards though. He's contracted to us, so any deal has to be on our terms to a point. He cant just demand a release and get it while he has a contract. We can say OK Karl, we will release you to any club that pays us a million dollars. We dont have to make it easy for him to leave and i dont think we should either. I'd be asking more than $500k for him if i were the Broncos.

 

[BroncsFan]

The grey area is the restriction of trade from what i can gather. Without any hard proof a club has tapped him up, if he challenges who he can and cant talk to if we agree to release him he would probably win. The NRL i believe have cleared the Dolphins so in that regard i'm not sure where we stand, i think we would have to find some evidence they have tried to poach him if it went to court. Its a bit different to the Walsh situation where he asked specifically to talk to us.

I think our best option in this mess is to just agree to let him go for silly money no matter who it is. I'm sure if in football Celtic and Rangers can negotiate deals between themsleves i'm sure if the money is right we can do it with the Phins.

It's not a restriction of trade because he signed a contract based on his perceived value for his services.

If it was deemed a restriction of trade then Haas could say "I'm underpaid because I'm worth a million and this club wants to pay me that so you keeping me to my current contract is a restriction of trade"

But that's not how it works.

Even outside league if a contractor says "I signed a contract for a going rate of $X, but I've realised I undersold myself so I want my rate bumped up"... the hiring company is gonna be like... "yeah good for you, but we ain't budging on the rate because you already signed the contract."

Karl is under contract... only way out is mutual decision to terminate, because Broncos didnt do anything wrong to trigger a termination.. which was his initial claim.

He's effectively been granted a "conditional release" with the condition being "Not the Dolphins" and the other club has to pay a transfer fee.

 

[NSW stables]

Given his strong performance in the centres and this warranting him selection for England, herbie may be content in being an international and specialist centre.
He is a clean skin, hard working, young player, which is getting rarer these days, so he is the type of player you want to retain.

 

[Mustafur]

It's not a restriction of trade because he signed a contract based on his perceived value for his services.

If it was deemed a restriction of trade then Haas could say "I'm underpaid because I'm worth a million and this club wants to pay me that so you keeping me to my current contract is a restriction of trade"

But that's not how it works.

Even outside league if a contractor says "I signed a contract for a going rate of $X, but I've realised I undersold myself so I want my rate bumped up"... the hiring company is gonna be like... "yeah good for you, but we ain't budging on the rate because you already signed the contract."

Karl is under contract... only way out is mutual decision to terminate, because Broncos didnt do anything wrong to trigger a termination.. which was his initial claim.

He's effectively been granted a "conditional release" with the condition being "Not the Dolphins" and the other club has to pay a transfer fee.

That is what I mean, a Restriction of trade is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling

Key point:
Jean-Marc Bosman was a player for RFC Liège in the Belgian First Division whose contract had expired in 1990. He wanted to change teams and move to Dunkerque, a French club. However, Dunkerque refused to meet his Belgian club's transfer fee demand, so Liège refused to release Bosman.

In the meantime, Bosman's wages were reduced by 70% as he was no longer a first-team player. He took his case to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg and sued for restraint of trade, citing FIFA's rules regarding football, specifically Article 17.

That is a real restriction of trade because he wasn't signed up to what RFC liege did to him.

 

[theshed]

Restriction of trade though is for any job i believe. I think if you can prove another company has illegally tried to poach you, its a different story.

We do hold all the cards though. He's contracted to us, so any deal has to be on our terms to a point. He cant just demand a release and get it while he has a contract. We can say OK Karl, we will release you to any club that pays us a million dollars. We dont have to make it easy for him to leave and i dont think we should either. I'd be asking more than $500k for him if i were the Broncos.

I think you’re wrong personally. A contract essentially is two parties voluntarily agreeing to waive particular rights to free trade. The club is entitled to restrict his trade because he signed a contract saying that he won’t ply his trade elsewhere. That being the case, if he wants to terminate that contract early then the other party can decide on what terms that occurs.

Regardless the only avenue to appeal a block to the Dolphins would be via the civil court system and I’m not sure Karl, his manager, or the Dolphins would want to volunteer to have the legal system request information from them regarding accusations of poaching. The NRL may have cleared them of any wrong doing but I wonder if the courts would be as biased.