Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2023

[broncos4life]

I don't know how accurate this is, but I heard our offer was $6 million over 5 years for Payne. If he's going to market hes got offers over that elsewhere imo and isn't willing to take less money to stay here. If he can get bigger money then good luck to him.

Gross. If we have truly offered him that and he still won't sign just pull the offer now.

 

[broncos4life]

No he hasn't. There was some agent-driven kerfuffle last season that's now a distant memory. His performances on the field are peerless, gaining him multiple club awards and his dealings with the press over his contracts have been faultless. All this hysteria over him leaving has been whipped up by the media (which is fine, that's what they do) and fans reacting to it. But back in the real world, he's with us for another two Grand Finals at the very least.


And you reckon Badel is histrionic. There is zero fact in this.

Zero fact? He didn't say it was fact it was his opinion on what we should do.

 

[Kooly87]

I don't think we need to get into a bidding war for him. There is a player on the market who is a very good option.

My opinion has always been the same, he is always saying he is happy and wants to win a premiership here. All he needs to do is give us a figure and see if we can match it. This has probably been done and it's not good enough for him so he is going to market. We are just the safety net now in case nobody else stumps up the money. Once November 1 comes around, we should pull our offer and chase Tino imo. If we wait around we miss out on a top quality forward.

The problem is I don’t think they have a really concrete idea of what exactly he can command elsewhere. They’re saying 7 figures but it’s unlikely they have anything that concrete from anyone else yet - so waiting until November 1 to get a more concrete idea is just plain good business sense from his Manager. He’s literally doing exactly what he’s paid to do in the most logical and pragmatic way possible.

I’m sure he’s sincere in saying he wants to stay, but he needs to make sure that if he’s staying for less money, that he’s staying for not TOO much less money than he could have got elsewhere. I’m fine with being the bottom bidder because our history together and incumbency gives us that advantage, but if it gets to a Fifita like stage where someone is offering 30-40% more then he needs to know that difference for sure and be able to decide accordingly. Staying probably suits him but there is a price I’m sure he’s willing to budge on and no reasonable person can begrudge him wanting to explore that, especially as this is likely to be his biggest roll of the dice contractually in his entire career.

I’m absolutely fine with chasing Tino instead, but I don’t see a world where we or any other club get one for much more or less than the other, and realistically give one is incumbent and the other isn’t, it seems likely we’d get Haas for slightly less - so if we were to go out and chase Tino then surely that same money can just be used to give Haas what he’s after to get him over the line?

 

[Kooly87]

I don't know how accurate this is, but I heard our offer was $6 million over 5 years for Payne. If he's going to market hes got offers over that elsewhere imo and isn't willing to take less money to stay here. If he can get bigger money then good luck to him.

If that’s genuinely our offer then I doubt we have anything to worry about because it’s very unlikely anyone else can offer much more than that which they’d need to in order to justify him uprooting his family and leaving anyway. It’s also as much as I’d be willing to offer Tino as a contingency and if the money is on the table then it hardly matters what he does because that buys an out and our gun player every day of the week to replace him. - Tino or otherwise.

 

[Kooly87]

Tino was on 880k on his last deal pre-cap rise. He's on more money than Haas. With the cap rise Tino is probably on 1.1 to 1.15m, so we'd need to offer something like 1.25 to get him to leave unless he has a secret desire to be a Bronco and relinquish the captaincy.

Exactly right - the people arguing ‘oh let’s just go and get Tino instead’ seem to be detached from reality in terms of just how much Tino is going to cost, if he was to leave at all, and they also seem to be conveniently forgetting that he’s only even being discussed because he already had a contract tied to the Coach being employed - and how many Broncos fans would be happy with that sort of arrangement being in place if he was to start playing for us?

There is no discount or great deal to be had by switching from Haas to Tino. At least not as far as I can see. We’re talking about what is likely to be #1 and #2 for the highest paid Middle Forwards in the game in 12 months time regardless of who they sign for.

 

[Kooly87]

Gross. If we have truly offered him that and he still won't sign just pull the offer now.

If you’re genuinely the absolute best person in your role across the entire industry and you take the first and only offer from your current employer and don’t honestly seek out or field concrete offers from anyone else then you either work in your own family business or you really, REALLY need to hire a professional to negotiate on your behalf, because you’re either a moron or you enjoy getting professionally screwed.

 

[Kooly87]

Another option is Mo, he would be a goo and cheaper contingency.

Yep, wouldn’t be a bad option. Similar floor, lower ceiling, but also a lower price to reflect that.

Less commercially attractive or marketable as well though and the club would no doubt be conscious of that too when assessing the value of both players.

 

[Kooly87]

Or if he wants to win a premiership. We look closer to that than the Titans do and especially with the multiple unknowns of Hasler coming on board.

I doubt the Titans or Tino see the difference currently as being that significant on that front. Especially as Reynolds gets another year older.

We’re objectively closer, but not enough to take a decent pay cut over I’d imagine.

 

[Sproj]

I doubt the Titans or Tino see the difference currently as being that significant on that front. Especially as Reynolds gets another year older.

We’re objectively closer, but not enough to take a decent pay cut over I’d imagine.

He wouldn't need to take a pay cut though, just take what he is on at the Titans. Throw in shares in horse manure and sausages.

 

[McHunt]

Zero fact? He didn't say it was fact it was his opinion on what we should do.

Thanks for recognizing that parallel, I feel like I'm finally making progress.

 

[Gaz]

I can understand a player of Paynes ilk and his manager wanting to know what he’s worth on the open market at this stage of his career and considering deals that have been done in the past.

Jason Taumololo reported 10M for 10 years. David Fifita had the Titans bidding against themselves at way over. Ben Hunt and the Dragons (how’s that one going).

So maybe he is just dipping his toe in the water to assure himself we are not too far off the mark before committing himself long term. Makes good business sense.

At least I hope so.

 

[Kooly87]

It constantly amazes me how so many Broncos fans act like we aren’t owned by News Limited and we don’t have some of the most ruthless and stone cold bean counters in the entire game putting together these deals in a back room at Red Hill somewhere, completely detached from any emotion, doing every single thing legally possible to ensure the club doesn’t outlay a single cent more than it has to in order to retain every single piece of talent on our books - then we have the gall to get on our high horses the moment any player employs just one single single actual professional manager to try and negotiate the best deal on their behalf…

 

[Kooly87]

Look what more can we offer? We wouldn't be messing him around and he has continually messed us around. I'd love to keep him but we need to do what is best for our club and to me, I reckon we should make a bold play to pick up both Tino and Fifita. If that means we let Haas go next year, so be it, every other team would jump over themselves to pick him up on full wage if he is released.

Now at the same time, we need to be very careful how public all of this goes but seriously, I really hope we are making a massive play to bring both Tino and Fifita home at the expense of Haas if need be. Can also not renew Capewell and a mix of that plus losing Herbie and Flegs should mean we have a bit left over to make all of this happen and upgrade a couple of existing contracts.

Serious question - in what world is any club, us or otherwise, getting both Tino AND Fifita for anything even remotely close to what it would cost to retain or poach Haas???

Tino’s next offer is going to be $1million a season, five or take, and while Fifita isn’t getting $1.25 million a year next time around, he’s also not exactly going to be on the market for $700k a year either.

 

[Kooly87]

He wouldn't need to take a pay cut though, just take what he is on at the Titans. Throw in shares in horse manure and sausages.

Yeah but how likely is he to do that? Titans next offer is going to be better than his current deal, he’s the club Captain and he’s already playing there as his incumbent club.

To think we’re going to walk in and get him for the same money he’s on right now with the slightly more than vague suggestion that he can win a Premiership here is just as absurd as any other club thinking they could do that with Haas and the Broncos.

 

[BooKhaki]

Him testing free agency was always likely after he was denied a release. He may stay, but he won't stay out of love, we will need to be right up there with his top dollar offers.

 

[BroncsFan]

One thing about him going to market is that the November 1 is an NRL only date... could suggest that ARU and European rugby is less likely as he wouldnt need to go to market for that.

Nov 1 allows him to see where he stands at the end of the year... what if by Nov 1 he's Dally M, Clive Churchill and Porky Morgan medallist again... his price tag goes up.

Makes sense for him to wait till the end of the season.

 

[Sproj]

Serious question - in what world is any club, us or otherwise, getting both Tino AND Fifita for anything even remotely close to what it would cost to retain or poach Haas???

Tino’s next offer is going to be $1million a season, five or take, and while Fifita isn’t getting $1.25 million a year next time around, he’s also not exactly going to be on the market for $700k a year either.

Did you actually read my post? I didn't say JUST Haas's money.

 

[Wolfie]

If that’s genuinely our offer then I doubt we have anything to worry about because it’s very unlikely anyone else can offer much more than that which they’d need to in order to justify him uprooting his family and leaving anyway. It’s also as much as I’d be willing to offer Tino as a contingency and if the money is on the table then it hardly matters what he does because that buys an out and our gun player every day of the week to replace him. - Tino or otherwise.

I honestly think thats wishful thinking of you reckon we have nothing to worry about if the offer i understand he had is correct. As i said, only an idiot goes to market hoping for a bidding war if he has had no other offers. He's 100% talked to other clubs and codes. His father and Union have openly admitted he's talked to them. He's clearly not happy with our offer and thinks he can get more elsewhere.

I've copped plenty of shit over the years for my opinions on Payne and his character ( and his family ), way before he really got into any trouble and sadly i've been right on most occasions. I always said he was going to market. I think his words are hollow how he talks about Brisbane and his next contract. The thing that will trip him up with all this i believe is him saying its not about money, its about winning premierships. Apart from Penrith, who wont go for him anyway, we are as good a chance as any club at winning a premiership, and he can do that with his mates like he claims he wants to. No need to go to market. But thats what he is doing.

And just for the record, i have no issue whatsoever if its a money thing. I think most people would be crazy to not want more money than they get now. Just dont bullshit the fans. Be honest. Or do what Patty did and actually back up your talk with actions.