Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2023

[Wolfie]

I can understand a player of Paynes ilk and his manager wanting to know what he’s worth on the open market at this stage of his career and considering deals that have been done in the past.

Jason Taumololo reported 10M for 10 years. David Fifita had the Titans bidding against themselves at way over. Ben Hunt and the Dragons (how’s that one going).

So maybe he is just dipping his toe in the water to assure himself we are not too far off the mark before committing himself long term. Makes good business sense.

At least I hope so.

Thats the thing though, he doesnt need to go to market to find that out. He already knows what he can get elsewhere. Just because they arent supposed to talk before 1st November doesnt mean it doesnt go on. He knows exactly whats on the table and wants a bidding war, and regardless of how good a player he is, i hope we stick to our offer.

 

[Wolfie]

Tino was on 880k on his last deal pre-cap rise. He's on more money than Haas. With the cap rise Tino is probably on 1.1 to 1.15m, so we'd need to offer something like 1.25 to get him to leave unless he has a secret desire to be a Bronco and relinquish the captaincy.

Tino should be an option, but he shouldnt be the only option. I think around 1 or 1.1 million a year would probably get Tino if we can do some juggling, which would involve moving Payno on at the end of the year. Dont think he is worth it, but i dont think Payne is either. I dont think they are 300 or 400k a year better than Carrigan but at the same time, he took unders to stay and win a premiership with his mates. We dont seem to have many right now willing to do the same.

 

[Gaz]

Thats the thing though, he doesnt need to go to market to find that out. He already knows what he can get elsewhere. Just because they arent supposed to talk before 1st November doesnt mean it doesnt go on. He knows exactly whats on the table and wants a bidding war, and regardless of how good a player he is, i hope we stick to our offer.

Understand and agree with your thoughts. However you can know how much a house is worth, but until you get into the auction room and start bidding. I’m hoping DD will have it well and truly sorted before 1 Nov.

Thing is Payne, to me, never appears to show any emotion towards the club. Same way Patty or Reece do.

 

[Foordy]

Just on Mo as a fall back option, Zero tackle says he is on 750k per year at the Tits.

What do people think he is worth if we need to try an lure him here to replace Payne

 

[Xzei]

still think the better option is to chase someone like moe and go for a lower price forward along with him or even sure up other postions million dollar forwards arnt winning you shit

 

[Kimlo]

I'm okay with him exploring the market. That's his right and it's exactly what I would do if I was in a position to have multiple employers bidding on my services.

Loving where I work is not mutually exclusive with wanting to be compensated at fair market value.

If he stays, at least he stays because we are the best deal for him (not necessarily purely dollars, but as an overall package) and we have a player knowing he did the best for himself, which long term means a happier player.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to market, good on him. Clubs go to market the second a player starts showing a bit of a downward slope, they certainly don't re-sign on loyalty, neither should the players. He's re-paid the club by giving 100% every week for the last 6 years, I'll wish him nothing but the best if he goes elsewhere.

 

[mitch222]

Just on Mo as a fall back option, Zero tackle says he is on 750k per year at the Tits.

What do people think he is worth if we need to try an lure him here to replace Payne

If you believe the figures on Zero Tackle then you must still think Santa is real as well

 

[Foordy]

If you believe the figures on Zero Tackle then you must still think Santa is real as well

he is ... in fact, i'm pretty sure he has promised us a premiership this year ... isn't that right @Santa

 

[Xzei]

mam upgraded? says in the cm
nvm ive been baited lol

 

[Sproj]

still think the better option is to chase someone like moe and go for a lower price forward along with him or even sure up other postions million dollar forwards arnt winning you shit

Moe is a gun and I'd be willing to pay 800k for him because this is basically the equivalent for what we were apparently paying Flegler in the old money. You could bank him and then chase someone else potentially if there is an area we feel we have a need. Maybe Fifita if you want to go that path.

 

[Big Pete]

I'm fine with Haas exploring his opportunities. What irks me is the timing, the club is up against it and Haas' management knows leaking this will have negative consequences but they don't care.

If he follows that up with flat footed soft options where he doesn't take the forwards on the fans should be filthy with him.

 

[Mustafur]

Haas has been great for us, brilliant at times.

However, forwards don't win you comps. Taumalolo/Fifita are case and point. We can't pay a forward a million dollars a season if we are fair dinkum.

Storm were paying Jesse Bromwich a mil a season for years, I don't think it's a big problem, but the Spine has to be sorted.

 

[McHunt]

mam upgraded? says in the cm
nvm ive been baited lol

Says they're "in negotiations." We've seen these go both ways. Let's log it as a rumour and leave it at that.

Badel & Meyn:

"The Broncos are making moves to lock up rising star Ezra Mam on a long-term contract extension"​

"Sport Confidential can reveal the Broncos are in negotiations with Mam to upgrade and extend the Queensland Origin prospect. Mam, 20, is currently contracted to Brisbane until the end of 2024 – leaving him open to poaching raids from November 1 this year. But the Broncos are determined to not let that happen and have made moves to keep Mam at Red Hill. The Reynolds-Mam playmaking alliance is set to continue for at least another two years, with Reynolds eyeing a contract extension that will keep him at the Broncos until the end of 2025."​

 

[TimWhatley]

I reckon a desperate club will offer Haas 1.5mil.

 

[Xzei]

Moe is a gun and I'd be willing to pay 800k for him because this is basically the equivalent for what we were apparently paying Flegler in the old money. You could bank him and then chase someone else potentially if there is an area we feel we have a need. Maybe Fifita if you want to go that path.

go for someone like moe and just keep the powder dry for any disgruntled player to come on the market that may be of interest

 

[Wolfie]

I'm okay with him exploring the market. That's his right and it's exactly what I would do if I was in a position to have multiple employers bidding on my services.

Loving where I work is not mutually exclusive with wanting to be compensated at fair market value.

If he stays, at least he stays because we are the best deal for him (not necessarily purely dollars, but as an overall package) and we have a player knowing he did the best for himself, which long term means a happier player.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to market, good on him. Clubs go to market the second a player starts showing a bit of a downward slope, they certainly don't re-sign on loyalty, neither should the players. He's re-paid the club by giving 100% every week for the last 6 years, I'll wish him nothing but the best if he goes elsewhere.

I still think its swings and roundabouts with Payne. He's been payed way less than his market value at times, but he's also been way in excess of his market value at the start of his career , and he has been an absolute **** at times so it evens its self out really. Totally agree though very little loyalty on the clubs side these days. You can see why very few players have the same loyalty towards the clubs.

Still dont buy all this about him needed to explore the market. He knows full well what he can get already. He's doing exactly what Staggs did and looking for a bidding war. Luckily for Payne, i dont think it will backfire on him like it did with Kotoni. Its not like he wont be getting what he is worth at Brisbane anyway.

I'm still not convinced he is a man of his word tbh. I guess we will see if its about money ( which he is claiming it isnt ) or not in the end. As i said before, if its genuinely not about the money, and its about winning premierships, where is he going to move where he has a better chance than at Brisbane? We are on a par with most clubs at the moment, and his mates are all at Brisbane.

 

[Wolfie]

I'm fine with Haas exploring his opportunities. What irks me is the timing, the club is up against it and Haas' management knows leaking this will have negative consequences but they don't care.

If he follows that up with flat footed soft options where he doesn't take the forwards on the fans should be filthy with him.

Its a worry that Payne seems to trust their advice tbh. He was stupid enough to think last years episode was reasonable and seemed genuinley confused and upset when the backlash came and like you say, the timing of doing it right now is just ridiculous. As much as i get they want to make money, they have to have their clients best interests at heart and i think Payne is just a cash cow for them.

 

[Kooly87]

I honestly think thats wishful thinking of you reckon we have nothing to worry about if the offer i understand he had is correct. As i said, only an idiot goes to market hoping for a bidding war if he has had no other offers. He's 100% talked to other clubs and codes. His father and Union have openly admitted he's talked to them. He's clearly not happy with our offer and thinks he can get more elsewhere.

I've copped plenty of shit over the years for my opinions on Payne and his character ( and his family ), way before he really got into any trouble and sadly i've been right on most occasions. I always said he was going to market. I think his words are hollow how he talks about Brisbane and his next contract. The thing that will trip him up with all this i believe is him saying its not about money, its about winning premierships. Apart from Penrith, who wont go for him anyway, we are as good a chance as any club at winning a premiership, and he can do that with his mates like he claims he wants to. No need to go to market. But thats what he is doing.

And just for the record, i have no issue whatsoever if its a money thing. I think most people would be crazy to not want more money than they get now. Just dont bullshit the fans. Be honest. Or do what Patty did and actually back up your talk with actions.

I have no doubt he’s talking to other parties both inside and outside the NRL, but talk is cheap and he can’t have a concrete offer on the table until after November 1, at least from within the NRL.

My read of the situation is that he’s more or less sincere about wanting to stay, and if it comes down to 100-200 grand a season one way or the other, he’d probably be happy to stay and we’ll secure him, but if we get to a situation where he’s fielding concrete offers with a much greater difference than that, then I don’t think it’s unrealistic for him to want to sound that out and find out for sure. It’s just basic good business on his part and it only benefits the Broncos to not sign up now before testing the market in a firm way. I can’t think of a single reason why he’d sign any sooner that would benefit only him?

Like I said, this is his absolute biggest potential payday, and whilst he’s been far from trouble free during his time here, he’s been generally excellent on field, one of our best 2 or 3 year in, year out, mostly pulled his weight commercially, and he’s done it for most of that contract on less money, sometimes MUCH less money, than he could have got elsewhere if he’d kicked stones and forced us to release him. I think we’ve had our money’s worth out of him already and he’s entitled to want to know for certain that if he stays loyal that he didn’t take an insane hair cut in order to do so.

He may have his issues and you’re absolutely right in raising concerns around his character, but at the end of the day he’s a prolific and consistent footballer that far out performs any of the relatively small headaches he’s caused in the process, and he’s demonstrated that over a long period of time now.

I just can’t see any good reason for him to take our offer without getting to hold formal talks and get concrete offers elsewhere first and if I’m his agent I think it would be bordering on professional negligence to advise him otherwise. I don’t like it as a Broncos fan, but I can’t in good conscience expect someone to do something that is plainly not in their own best financial and professional interests.