Bulls 2014/2015

[Bucking Beads]

Flintoff shouldn't come back because he is no good. Great value off field but no value on it.

 

[Ari Gold]

I hope whoever does coach takes a lot at the Scorchers. Their batsman in the main aren't great but their bowlers are terrific and can defend a total - Arafat, Behrendorff, Coulter-Nile, Hogg and Tye. All better than our best bowler. Even if Badree stayed fit our 2nd best bowler is still shit.

Hopefully we make all our international players specialist bowlers as I think our batsman are pretty good.

 

[1910]

I guess that 2 guys that don't like him must really have some pull with QC management.

Make that three.

 

[1910]

I think the ideal situation is a coach that does all three, failing that I'd like to see a coach then have your assistants be more 20/20 and One Day minded who can take on bigger roles with the One Day and Heat.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I think the ideal situation is a coach that does all three, failing that I'd like to see a coach then have your assistants be more 20/20 and One Day minded who can take on bigger roles with the One Day and Heat.

I tend to agree but for the Heat it is important to have a coach who can attract big name signings. Not sure an Assistant will be capable of doing that.

I have heard that one of the players who wanted Law out is a certain big hitting all rounder.

 

[broncos4life]

I tend to agree but for the Heat it is important to have a coach who can attract big name signings. Not sure an Assistant will be capable of doing that.

I have heard that one of the players who wanted Law out is a certain big hitting all rounder.

He must have ben really cutt with law to do that.

 

[1910]

BOB Simpson is regarded by some as the greatest cricket coach of all time yet I’m not sure he would have lasted a season coaching the current Queensland Bulls.
Simmo’s decorated senior coaching career is long gone but let’s just pretend for a minute he was turning 49 tomorrow instead of 79 and keen on taking over from sacked Bulls-Heat coach Stuart Law.
You could just see how the summer would pan out.
Simmo bounces in, full of energy, and as always becomes the burr on the players’ saddle.
The man who once called Andrew Flintoff “a fat c---” – something Flintoff later thanked him for — immediately tells some players they are unfit.
Others are told they need to broaden their game, some that they don’t catch properly and a few more are force-fed the chastening news they simply don’t work hard enough.
As the weeks tick away the players start to bag Simmo on those communal phone apps they use to talk to each other in privacy.
The old b@astard’s too tough. He’s out of date. He bags me all the time. The whinges flow like a country stream after a thunder storm.
Then finally Simmo faces the board and, just like Trevor Barsby a few years back and Law last Friday, is told that he has “lost’’ the players and they are not coming back. The end.
Players 3. Coaches 0.
It’s a big win for the players but a shallow one as well.
Law had his faults as a coach but one thing that must never be forgotten is that one direction he was given by his employers was to toughen up the playing group.
He had a mandate to go hard but going hard cost him in the end.
Like a lot of players raised in the hard-nosed 80s and 90s Law had difficulty adjusting to players raised in a less abrasive era.
But if there is one pattern of modern sport that consistently rings true it is that players who blame coaches for the failings rarely go anywhere which is why we should have limited expectations of the current bunch of Queensland players.
Tough teams look inward not outward.
In the 35 year history of the State of Origin series have you ever heard of any player coups against a coach?
Some coaches worked better than others but when the Origin team loses the players generally just blame themselves.
Often the great champions, like Allan Langer and Johnathan Thurston, blame themselves too much.
When news of Law’s sacking filtered through the first person I thought of, oddly enough, was the former Australian quick Jason Gillespie.
After Australia lost the 2005 Ashes series in England Australia launched an inquiry into the effort and a string of players blamed everything from the coach (John Buchanan) to poor scheduling and even wives on tour.
Yet Gillespie, who had a career-low form slump on tour, blamed no-one but himself.
He told interviewers that he simply had a shocker and could not explain why but it was no-one else’s fault.
That is the type of character he is, a man who looks himself sternly in the eye.
It’s called being a team player and they are becoming increasing rare beasts.

 

[1910]

I tend to agree but for the Heat it is important to have a coach who can attract big name signings. Not sure an Assistant will be capable of doing that.

I have heard that one of the players who wanted Law out is a certain big hitting all rounder.

Come on, don't be silly. Players have done nothing wrong they're 100% innocent. Law is to blame for everything- didn't you read the informed posts on Friday night?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Come on, don't be silly. Players have done nothing wrong they're 100% innocent. Law is to blame for everything- didn't you read the informed posts on Friday night?

I can see a fairly decent turnover of players this season. Too many of them have under performed. Too many are injured all the time as well.

 

[broncos4life]

Come on, don't be silly. Players have done nothing wrong they're 100% innocent. Law is to blame for everything- didn't you read the informed posts on Friday night?

No one said the players are blameless, but by the same token you refuse to concede that Law should shoulder any blame whatsoever.

Is there any chance you can stop the condescending posts?

 

[1910]

No one said the players are blameless, but by the same token you refuse to concede that Law should shoulder any blame whatsoever.

Is there any chance you can stop the condescending posts?

That's not true, you've done nothing but heap blame on Law, every post has been about 'his' results and how they're good enough and he had to go. You haven't once commented or looked at the role of the players.


Bucking Beads has clearly done some looking into it beyond just a points table and blaming of coach. The only people that think I am being condescending are people that don't know what they're talking about and they get upset. It's not rude to expect people to know the topic they're talking about.

 

[broncos4life]

That's not true, you've done nothing but heap blame on Law, every post has been about 'his' results and how they're good enough and he had to go. You haven't once commented or looked at the role of the players.


Bucking Beads has clearly done some looking into it beyond just a points table and blaming of coach. The only people that think I am being condescending are people that don't know what they're talking about and they get upset. It's not rude to expect people to know the topic they're talking about.

I have commented that he has two teams on the bottom of the ladder, that's a fact. To me that says there is a problem with the coach. My point being that there is only two real options.

1. His coaching and game plans suck

or

2. The players don't want to play for him

Either way that is his issue. Coaching is not just game plans and tactics, its man management too. All I hear from you is the players have done it again yet Boof didn't seem to have this issue, so whatever way you slice it Law has to shoulder some of the blame

Now with the more reports that come to light it seems very much so that the players have got him sacked, but unlike you us mere mortals can only go on what is reported when it is reported, not all of us are in a position to get inside news or insights into the sporting world that you seem to get.

People don't think you are being condescending, you ARE being condescending. Last time I checked mate this is a forum, therefore people can have an opinion on any topic they like. I know you get a free ride around here because you get inside info which you then post in cryptic clues but that doesn't mean people like being spoken down to

 

[1910]

I have commented that he has two teams on the bottom of the ladder, that's a fact. To me that says there is a problem with the coach. My point being that there is only two real options.

1. His coaching and game plans suck

or

2. The players don't want to play for him

Either way that is his issue. Coaching is not just game plans and tactics, its man management too. All I hear from you is the players have done it again yet Boof didn't seem to have this issue, so whatever way you slice it Law has to shoulder some of the blame

Now with the more reports that come to light it seems very much so that the players have got him sacked, but unlike you us mere mortals can only go on what is reported when it is reported, not all of us are in a position to get inside news or insights into the sporting world that you seem to get.

People don't think you are being condescending, you ARE being condescending. Last time I checked mate this is a forum, therefore people can have an opinion on any topic they like. I know you get a free ride around here because you get inside info which you then post in cryptic clues but that doesn't mean people like being spoken down to

You've ignored several points.

The season is only half over, so we will never know where they would have finished.

No it doesn't mean one of those two things, you've forgotten he's a very good coach that the players have decided is too hard on them and doesn't make it easy so they're just not playing.

All QC have done is given into three players who were unhappy and didn't want their professional career to be too hard. Just let us cruise along if you're not going to do that we will complain.

Law was given the job of being tough on them and told by QC that was his charter, he did that and he got sacked- how is that fair? He got sacked for doing what he was told.

Interesting point you raise about Lehmann, two things one he came in after a similar situation to Law regarding Barsby and they were winning- players don't look for fault when they're winning. You overlook things and put up with what you don't like. Start losing and I bet Lehmann would have come under the same microscope.

Players have now had two coaches sacked for training too hard and pushing them to be better too much. Where to now? Do those three players pick the coach? Just let them interview candidates?

What's it say about those players- I don't like the coach he's too hard so I am going to not get wickets and runs.

Sure Law had faults, I am not suggesting he didn't- but they weren't sackable because every coach has faults. Why can't we work on faults anymore? Why don't we say few players think you can do this better- let's work on that this off-season.

You haven't looked at any of these questions you've just looked at a table and sacked a guy.

 

[Bucking Beads]

A few debuts set to happen on Saturday when the Bulls play the Victards at the Gabba.

Cameron Boyce, Joe Burns, Ben Cutting, Luke Feldman, Peter Forrest, Peter George, Chris Hartley, Charlie Hemphrey, James Hopes (c), Chris Lynn, Michael Philipson, Mark Steketee. (12th man to be named)

 

[1910]

Phillipson 341 runs this year at 48 and 7 wickets at 38.
Hemphrey 248 runs at 30 and 5 wickets at 24

 

[Bull Shark]

If that crash craddock yarn is close to the mark I really find it hard to give a shit about this current bulls group...

 

[Bucking Beads]

Phillipson 341 runs this year at 48 and 7 wickets at 38.
Hemphrey 248 runs at 30 and 5 wickets at 24

Seems like it is very slim pickings at the moment. Both of those blokes have been around a while as well. Doesn't seem to be many young talented batsmen coming through at the moment.

 

[1910]

Seems like it is very slim pickings at the moment. Both of those blokes have been around a while as well. Doesn't seem to be many young talented batsmen coming through at the moment.

They're faced with no choice now, nothing short of five out right wins in the second half of the year.