Bye Bye Bon Jovi

[Coxy]

It goes to show but, that tyre "big hits" (or at least the "big hits" the modern era goes ape **** for) are now considered most likely a SC. Highlight packages for the last couple years have almost been extensively made up of shoulder charges.

At least with the new rule we will get footage of big tackles.........real tackles

not cheap shot barges.

Amen!

 

[Anonymous person]

thats a shoulder charge lol. leading with shoulder, no contact with any other part of body. it doesnt matter that he had one arm out to the side, he shoulder charged him.

 

[Coxy]

thats a shoulder charge lol. leading with shoulder, no contact with any other part of body. it doesnt matter that he had one arm out to the side, he shoulder charged him.

As I suspected. One of the main whingers about the shoulder charge rule doesn't know what a shoulder charge is. Thanks for proving my point :thumbup1:

 

[Anonymous person]

going back and freeze-framing the "tackle", its lineball by the new rule. his right arm/hand very barely makes contact with the ball carrier, mainly due to momentum from swinging his shoulder in, so you could claim that as attempting to make a tackle.

in reality though, its as much a tackle as inglis' ones all last year. shoulder charge with right shoulder while having left arm out to the side of the player.

if youve ever actually watched rugby league you dont consider that a tackle.

 

[Twiztid]

Which one are we looking at here? The Warrior's tackle? I originally thought it was a shoulder charge until I had a second look.

Look at the arm and hand positions. Left - first contact shoulder, middle - shows right arm on hip and last - shows wrapping leg. Due to the speed and impact of the tackle it all happens extremely fast for the human eye to catch it all even more so in the small amount of time it is in the ad.

Edit.. AP responded before me by a few moments so sorry to double up.

 

[Mr Fourex]

if youve ever actually watched rugby league you dont consider that a tackle.

Which one ....the Inglis one or the one twiz posted above?

 

[Anonymous person]

yeh ill admit i didnt see the arm at first watching, the tackles only on screen for maybe a half a second - my first thought was that they actually intentionally cut it short so it didnt look like a shoulder charge lol.

IMO its very line ball as a tackle. its in no way a traditional tackle, but i can see how you could call it a tackle by the letter of the law.

 

[Mr Fourex]

IMO its very line ball as a tackle. its in no way a traditional tackle, but i can see how you could call it a tackle by the letter of the law.

Yeah ...can't agree. It's in every way what a traditional tackle SHOULD be. Hitting with the shoulder around the waist and wrapping the arms around the player. That's a tackle.

I think you're confused.

 

[Twiztid]

Sorry to take this off topic. Can anyone see my images above? I seem to be having issues with either my laptop or my website being infected with a redirect malware. Because I saw them after I posted them but now I can't see them and when I browse to the link location I get redirected to a different site.

 

[Coxy]

Sorry to take this off topic. Can anyone see my images above? I seem to be having issues with either my laptop or my website being infected with a redirect malware. Because I saw them after I posted them but now I can't see them and when I browse to the link location I get redirected to a different site.

See them loud and clear. And they illustrate the point that it was a tackle, not a shoulder charge. There's no way in hell it was even close to a shoulder charge!

 

[Twiztid]

See them loud and clear. And they illustrate the point that it was a tackle, not a shoulder charge. There's no way in hell it was even close to a shoulder charge!

Cheers. I just did a major clean out of all temp stuff and hopefully it took whatever it was with it. So I can see them again, but for how long is the big question.

 

[Anonymous person]

Yeah ...can't agree. It's in every way what a traditional tackle SHOULD be. Hitting with the shoulder around the waist and wrapping the arms around the player. That's a tackle.

I think you're confused.

wrapping arms around the player? are you looking at the same tackle? at no stage did he wrap his arms around the player lol. he hit him and fell down to his legs, at which stage he tried to grab his legs. geez, if you think *that* is a traditional tackle then what do you consider tackles like the ones that players like jason hetherington used to make? they were traditional tackles, and could not be more different to that shot.

its not a full on shoulder charge, no doubt. but its not a traditional tackle. its pretty much a mix of both - didnt go in with 2 arms, didnt get both arms on him until he was around his ankles, but didnt have the arm cocked like a regulation shoulder charge.

i dont know how coxy etc can say its a regular tackle - when was the last time you saw a player make a one armed regular tackle?

 

[Nashy]

It is amazing that this is an argument here. Like really guys? It's a fucking ad for gods sake.

 

[Coxy]

I'm not arguing it's a great tackle. He got bumped off like a numpty. But it wasn't a shoulder charge.

 

[Anonymous person]

he got bumped off? did you see the other guy? the one who he sent flying off his feet? lol

again, when was the last time you saw a one armed tackle? he didnt go for a tackle. if that was a genuine attempt at a tackle and not a shoulder charge, he should never have even made it to reserve grade let alone NRL.

 

[Twiztid]

You really need to look at the difference between a shoulder charge and a shoulder driven tackle.

A shoulder charge is where the arms are down by the players side or used as a brace for impact.

A shoulder driven tackle is where the player comes in low and hard with his arms ready to wrap the opposing player.

This tackle is a shoulder driven tackle as proven in my middle screen shot.

The speed of the collision is the only reason for the Warriors player being unable to wrap the player up fully.

Does that mean it becomes a shoulder charge? I don't think so. That is basically the tackle technique I was shown when I played footy as a kid.

You drive in with your leading shoulder and wrap up on the way down. He has done all those things but due to the high impact it isn't as convincing as it could have been.

 

[Kaz]

I hate the song. It's too girly for me.

 

[Coxy]

You really need to look at the difference between a shoulder charge and a shoulder driven tackle.

A shoulder charge is where the arms are down by the players side or used as a brace for impact.

A shoulder driven tackle is where the player comes in low and hard with his arms ready to wrap the opposing player.

This tackle is a shoulder driven tackle as proven in my middle screen shot.

The speed of the collision is the only reason for the Warriors player being unable to wrap the player up fully.

Does that mean it becomes a shoulder charge? I don't think so. That is basically the tackle technique I was shown when I played footy as a kid.

You drive in with your leading shoulder and wrap up on the way down. He has done all those things but due to the high impact it isn't as convincing as it could have been.

Bingo. I think in this particular (tiny little) case the ball runner also beat the defender with a small bit of footwork, meaning the defender had planted their feet in the wrong position and thus ended up having to lunge to try and get their arms around. It was a poor attempted tackle, no doubt. But it wasn't a shoulder charge.