re: [Confirmed] Russell Packer --> Panthers
No, that's not what I said.
I am ok with someone making a huge mistake, being rehabilitated and getting another chance.
If it were my brother that would be completely different because regardless I wouldn't forgive, because it's my brother. I think that's pretty self explanatory. I may have opinions on something but they obviously change if that same thing has happened to someone close to me
But if you want to put things back on me I can play that game too. Are you saying you are more ok with someone that beats a woman our glasses her in the face than you are with someone that gets punched and retaliates to much?
As for saying he is lucky he isn't a murderer, even if they guy died he wouldn't be a murderer. Murder requires motive, intent and premeditation. If he has any of that he would be in jail for attempted murder
That's exactly what you said and are saying, and although you say you can read, I'm starting to think you either actually can't... or you just ignore what you read to have a go anyway.
Of course you'd be angrier and feel more aggrieved if it's your family, and possibly even go to extremes, but if you believe that someone that makes a huge mistake deserves rehabilitation and in this case, to get another shot at the elite life of a footy player; that should also go for whomever does so on someone close to you, otherwise it's simply hypocrisy.
I prefer to look at how I would feel if the victim was someone close to me, when taking a stance on this type of stuff, because when it comes to rehabilitation and rights of criminals, the victims should always take priority imo. This is exactly what I argued a while ago regarding the Shaun Metcalf to the Warriors case!
Get your facts straight. Packer didn't get punched, he king hit the guy for accusing him of pinching a couple of ciggies, then went on to punch him several times while he was down, and tried to finish him off by stomping on him.
He may not have been accused of attempted murder, but his actions were exactly that, as it doesn't take premeditation to be called murder. FTR, in cases like this, this is the difference between murder and manslaughter in Australia:
If the defendant can convince the jury that he acted as a “reasonable” person would in response to something the victim said or did, he can be charged with manslaughter instead of murder.
Of course, there are a lot of imponderables, as well as whether intoxication can be used as a contributing or attenuating factor (which it legally does not), but in essence, had his actions resulted in death, it would have been at the very least aggravated manslaughter.
Regardless, I really don't give a shit what they call it, as in these type of offenses, the prosecutor will generally go with a charge that carries a good probability of success, or even a plea (as was the case).
As to the comparison with punching or glassing a woman...
Well, it's a despicable act which should carry a much heavier punishment than it does when
the person is found guilty, including not playing NRL or any type of elite sport again.
I'm not sure what exactly happened in Barba's and Inglis cases, and although there are strong doubts, neither were found guilty, so until proven otherwise, they're not even remotely close to Packer's case. The same goes for Bird, although his case is aggravated because he allegedly not only punched, but glassed his girlfriend. Besides he's a NSW'ker grub.
FTR, Lui shouldn't be anywhere near a footy field, but even his case is still not comparable with Packer's case, not matter how much you'd like it to be. It has nothing to do with being "more ok", as neither is anywhere near "ok". One is just worse than the other!
