NEWS Darius Boyd will take a $300,000 pay cut if he sees out his Broncos contract

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glad to see the coach back his Captain; well...it should be a no brainer really but anyway...

also, on a related/non related topic depending on your POV, i notice Valentine Holmes didn't make the cut with the Jets...
He's not coming back. He's in the practice squad which he needs and will make a 53 man team next year.
 

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Just watch League life on Fax where Seibs is grilled by four of the Fox women. Interestingly, when one of them asked if he thought the Broncos could win a GF with Boyd playing 5/8 he immediately brushed the question and answered with the old Fifita loves Darius out there telling him what to do line.

Now if I'm a coach and I'm certain that I can win a GF with Boyd at 5/8 I'd be quite happy to answer her question and explain the reasoning behind it. So even when you don't answer a question you do give away important information as to your mindset.
 

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Just watch League life on Fax where Seibs is grilled by four of the Fox women. Interestingly, when one of them asked if he thought the Broncos could win a GF with Boyd playing 5/8 he immediately brushed the question and answered with the old Fifita loves Darius out there telling him what to do line.

Now if I'm a coach and I'm certain that I can win a GF with Boyd at 5/8 I'd be quite happy to answer her question and explain the reasoning behind it. So even when you don't answer a question you do give away important information as to your mindset.
Haven’t watched the segment yet but wouldn’t surprise me. Seibold isn’t that stupid which is what makes these baffling selections even more frustrating. It’s like he is handicapping the side he wants out on the park in favour of team harmony and club politics because he feels he is a chance of having more success with a 17 playing on effort rather than a better and more complete 17 who will probably take the piss if he upsets the apple cart.

The sooner the cancer in Boyd and Macca are gone is when we will finally make real inroads into the potential of this team. Seibold has a big job trying to manage this problem in the off season.

And at least the girls on League life have the balls to actually ask the tough Boyd questions that everyone else has been treading carefully around in the media. Kudos
 

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Calling either of those bloke a cancer isn’t fucking on if you ask me
Haven’t watched the segment yet but wouldn’t surprise me. Seibold isn’t that stupid which is what makes these baffling selections even more frustrating. It’s like he is handicapping the side he wants out on the park in favour of team harmony and club politics because he feels he is a chance of having more success with a 17 playing on effort rather than a better and more complete 17 who will probably take the piss if he upsets the apple cart.

The sooner the cancer in Boyd and Macca are gone is when we will finally make real inroads into the potential of this team. Seibold has a big job trying to manage this problem in the off season.

And at least the girls on League life have the balls to actually ask the tough Boyd questions that everyone else has been treading carefully around in the media. Kudos
 

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Calling either of those bloke a cancer isn’t fucking on if you ask me
Maybe not as clubmen or for the service they have provided over their careers....


But the current situation in the the club having to manage these 2’s playing careers when we actually have better and more in form options is cancerous for our team moving forward.

We will not be able to see the best of this team until they are either moved on or at least held accountable for when their form dips over a considerable period when there are players coming through that probably deserve a crack. We are having to play 3 fucking hookers in a 17 FFS just because Seibold/The Club do not want to leave McCullough out despite his 2 main competitors providing much more spark and creativity which this team clearly lacks.

And then you have Boyd who we finally had to move out of 1 because he was taking the piss, but instead of dropping him for even a game in QLD Cup to at least get him some confidence if anything, we decide to move our best option at 6 to keep Boyd in fucking first grade playing out of fucking position!
The only valid reason I can think that we haven’t moved him to centre yet is because the club is holding that last resort up their sleeve to pull out when the knives come out for him at 6.

Maybe toxic is a better word for it if you want to go down the PC route go for life but I’m calling the situation as I am currently witnessing it and cancerous is the first word that comes to mind to describe it
 
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Maybe not as clubmen or for the service they have provided over their careers....


But the current situation in the the club having to manage these 2’s playing careers when we actually have better and more in form options is cancerous for our team moving forward.

We will not be able to see the best of this team until they are either moved on or at least held accountable for when their form dips over a considerable period when there are players coming through that probably deserve a crack. We are having to play 3 fucking hookers in a 17 FFS just because Seibold/The Club do not want to leave McCullough out despite his 2 main competitors providing much more spark and creativity which this team clearly lacks.

And then you have Boyd who we finally had to move out of 1 because he was taking the piss, but instead of dropping him for even a game in QLD Cup to at least get him some confidence if anything, we decide to move our best option at 6 to keep Boyd in fucking first grade playing out of fucking position!
The only valid reason I can think that we haven’t moved him to centre yet is because the club is holding that last resort up their sleeve to pull out when the knives come out for him at 6.

Maybe toxic is a better word for it if you want to go down the PC route go for life but I’m calling the situation as I am currently witnessing it and cancerous is the first word that comes to mind to describe it
Take that up with Seibold. He’s the one picking them. Calling them a cancer is fucked.

He doesn’t have to pick either, and he’s picking both.
 

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Maybe not as clubmen or for the service they have provided over their careers....


But the current situation in the the club having to manage these 2’s playing careers when we actually have better and more in form options is cancerous for our team moving forward.

We will not be able to see the best of this team until they are either moved on or at least held accountable for when their form dips over a considerable period when there are players coming through that probably deserve a crack. We are having to play 3 fucking hookers in a 17 FFS just because Seibold/The Club do not want to leave McCullough out despite his 2 main competitors providing much more spark and creativity which this team clearly lacks.

And then you have Boyd who we finally had to move out of 1 because he was taking the piss, but instead of dropping him for even a game in QLD Cup to at least get him some confidence if anything, we decide to move our best option at 6 to keep Boyd in fucking first grade playing out of fucking position!
The only valid reason I can think that we haven’t moved him to centre yet is because the club is holding that last resort up their sleeve to pull out when the knives come out for him at 6.

Maybe toxic is a better word for it if you want to go down the PC route go for life but I’m calling the situation as I am currently witnessing it and cancerous is the first word that comes to mind to describe it
They certainly arent cancer ( which is a stupid thing to compare them to ), and they arent toxic either, just look at how the other blokes speak about them. They are just players on the way down who should be dropped. Blame the coach.
 

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Take that up with Seibold. He’s the one picking them. Calling them a cancer is fucked.

He doesn’t have to pick either, and he’s picking both.
Them being guaranteed first grade is a cancerous situation in terms of trying to build success in this squad is more the point I’m trying to make. Probably a bad choice of words to make my point but I’m also not laying the blame solely at them remaining in first grade.

I know full well Seibold and The Board should be accountable if we start bumbling around the field again masquerading as a decent first grade team because of picking a misfit spine to appease the careers of 2 clubmen when we have better options.

Here is a better PC phrase for you. They are a virus holding the team back. Once we cure the virus we will see this team flourish.
 

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Take that up with Seibold. He’s the one picking them. Calling them a cancer is fucked.

He doesn’t have to pick either, and he’s picking both.
Both of them are cancers though. Don't get me wrong, at this stage of the season it's waaaay too late to get rid of them outside the 17. They should have been dealt with 12 weeks ago, along with the other cancers.
 

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Them being guaranteed first grade is a cancerous situation in terms of trying to build success in this squad is more the point I’m trying to make. Probably a bad choice of words to make my point but I’m also not laying the blame solely at them remaining in first grade.

I know full well Seibold and The Board should be accountable if we start bumbling around the field again masquerading as a decent first grade team because of picking a misfit spine to appease the careers of 2 clubmen when we have better options.

Here is a better PC phrase for you. They are a virus holding the team back. Once we cure the virus we will see this team flourish.
They will both be starting next year. Just deal with it. The club rates them, Wayne rated them and seibold rates them. It’s not like Turpin was keeping McCullough out of the 9 jersey other than a game (or two?) when Andrew was coming back from injury.
 

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Both of them are cancers though. Don't get me wrong, at this stage of the season it's waaaay too late to get rid of them outside the 17. They should have been dealt with 12 weeks ago, along with the other cancers.
The thing I’ll agree with the others on though is I know I probably came across as putting the blame solely on the 2 players in question but it’s the entire situation from top to bottom that is pissing me off.

We will never find out the real story and what goes on behind closed doors. But the only reason why this has flared up again is because we were starting to look at least a bit more structured by having at least one people half in the side.

We have now reverted back to type because Turpin deserves coming straight back in based on his 2019 season as a whole and the coach doesn’t have the balls to drop Macca out of 9. And Segeyaro is as sure as shit a better spark and interchange option than Macca which is why the club haven’t put Turpin to 9 and Macca back to 14. Plus it would look like a demotion which might upset the political apple cart.

I was curious what would happen when we have all 3 hookers available again and already we have decided to take the team harmony option at the first given chance and with the finals around the corner. Not that I was expecting us to do anything but am disappointed we are probably going to handicap ourselves from putting the best team out there to win a game. Getting to the stage where injuries has given Seibold an excuse up until now to not have to manage the situation on a week to week basis.

I’m already looking forward to 2020 where hopefully a full off season and review opens some fucking eyes at board level
 

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Both of them are cancers though. Don't get me wrong, at this stage of the season it's waaaay too late to get rid of them outside the 17. They should have been dealt with 12 weeks ago, along with the other cancers.
Some people just have no idea! If both macca and boyd were dropped at the beginning of this season, I can guarantee we wouldn't be in the 8. Experience is so underated.
 

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They will both be starting next year. Just deal with it. The club rates them, Wayne rated them and seibold rates them. It’s not like Turpin was keeping McCullough out of the 9 jersey other than a game (or two?) when Andrew was coming back from injury.
You know what? I think you’ll find me as well as most fans could and would deal with it, provided no one else was pushing them for their spots and provided both of them actually contribute to the team at a semi respectable level.

Are you honestly saying that you would sit idly by and deal with them both starting every single game next year without concern if Turpin and Segeyaro were both playing out of their skin with Macca just plodding away and not providing anything to our attack? As well as Boyd taking up a critical spot in the spine/halves if he was to play like he has for 95% of 2019 when we have 2 decent looking young halves plus Milford and if they were all continually outplaying him?

Get your hand off it
 

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Some people just have no idea! If both macca and boyd were dropped at the beginning of this season, I can guarantee we wouldn't be in the 8. Experience is so underated.
How exactly can you guarantee it? You never said anything all season now you are dropping guarantees? Okey dokey.
 

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I want real halves as much as anyone. I’ve also been one of the biggest critics of Boyd and to a lesser extent Macca but some of you need to ease up a bit.

We’ve only lost 1 game featuring Turpin and Boyd in the halves, and that was after an awful first half of the season. Not to mention that we are going into the finals and now isn’t the time to drop 2 of our most experienced players.

If Boyd and Macca were to be dropped it either had to be earlier this season (not really possible due to injuries) or over the offseason. I think it would be unwise to do it now.
 

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Some people just have no idea! If both macca and boyd were dropped at the beginning of this season, I can guarantee we wouldn't be in the 8. Experience is so underated.
not to mention that it would be a good way for Seibs to lose the dressing room and once that happens it is all over
 

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not to mention that it would be a good way for Seibs to lose the dressing room and once that happens it is all over
Exactly, 2 experienced and well respected players. As much as I would love a speedy creative 9 and 6 , you need players to direct our youngster's.
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How exactly can you guarantee it? You never said anything all season now you are dropping guarantees? Okey dokey.
If we played turpin, dearden and sos how do you think we'd go ? We might look dangerous but I bet we'd be very inconsistent, and would lose more than we won.
 
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Some people just have no idea! If both macca and boyd were dropped at the beginning of this season, I can guarantee we wouldn't be in the 8. Experience is so underated.
I understand where you are coming from as well as others on here. But hindsight is too a wonderful thing. Where your argument immediately falls apart is do you remember what happened when Macca got injured after the Souths game and most on here were saying how defensively lost we would become in his absence? We went on a 3 game winning streak despite not looking like firing a shot all season which included scalps such as Manly, Roosters and the Warriors away. We conceded a meagre 22 points at an average of less than 8 points conceded per game when Segeyaro and Turpin filled in for him. Do you remember what happened when we rushed Macca back in, we got fucking trounced 3 games in a row leaking over 30 points a game.
Granted his performances have at least become better but it still isn’t good enough for someone of his experience and stature. It’s not like Segeyaro is an inexperience rookie either.

On Boyd, I can sort of understand why we didn’t drop Boyd earlier in the season. He still had a few credits in the bank and we had no one putting pressure on him at fullback.

However, once his bad performances kept piling up, Seibold decided to move him to 6 and move our best 6 to fullback. So in essence we hugely weakened one position just to plug a gap for the other. How is that good management to build success? If Boyd had of just been moved to centre once Bird was out for the season then he probably flies under the radar for rest of 2019 whilst we develop actual combinations in the spine that we as a club will actually utilise in 2+ years. Darius will more than likely not make it past 2020. So what is the point of trying make him learn a new position at the cost of giving others valuable experience and building combinations when he will be lucky to have 12 months left in the game? At least at centre, he wouldn’t be underperforming in a critical position and the way he is playing, is probably more suited to centre than any other position on the field.

There is a future immortal who retired last year who is probably the best halfback in the modern era who is 3 times the player Boyd is/was and even he was being questioned week to week despite actually still contributing in key statistical areas. He had a ton more credits than Boyd ever had. And even then JT only had a quiet last season that led to his continued criticism whereas Boyd has had a very very lean 18-24 months from a player of his standing and salary. Anyone would think we are asking peak Darren Lockyer to retire and not a clearly past it Darius.

Also are we the only club in recent times that has moved a club captain to a different position mid season to try and justify keeping him in first grade instead of considering dropping him?

He is a protected species and whilst shit like this goes on with no accountability, then the more fans like me get disillusioned. Talk about experience all you like but I can’t see how picking players on reputation despite a long term sustained continual run of poor form is good for club culture if it is affecting results and what kind of example does that set for squad members trying to crack a first grade spot.

TLDR; maybe we should see how we go without Macca and Boyd before we immediately assume we would fall apart without them
 
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I understand where you are coming from as well as others on here. But hindsight is too a wonderful thing. Where your argument immediately falls apart is do you remember what happened when Macca got injured after the Souths game and most on here were saying how defensively lost we would become in his absence? We went on a 3 game winning streak despite not looking like firing a shot all season which included scalps such as Manly, Roosters and the Warriors away. We conceded a meagre 22 points at an average of less than 8 points conceded per game when Segeyaro and Turpin filled in for him. Do you remember what happened when we rushed Macca back in, we got fucking trounced 3 games in a row leaking over 30 points a game.
Granted his performances have at least become better but it still isn’t good enough for someone of his experience and stature. It’s not like Segeyaro is an inexperience rookie either.

On Boyd, I can sort of understand why we didn’t drop Boyd earlier in the season. He still had a few credits in the bank and we had no one putting pressure on him at fullback.

However, once his bad performances kept piling up, Seibold decided to move him to 6 and move our best 6 to fullback. So in essence we hugely weakened one position just to plug a gap for the other. How is that good management to build success? If Boyd had of just been moved to centre once Bird was out for the season then he probably flies under the radar for rest of 2019 whilst we develop actual combinations in the spine that we as a club will actually utilise in 2+ years. Darius will more than likely not make it past 2020. So what is the point of trying make him learn a new position at the cost of giving others valuable experience and building combinations when he will be lucky to have 12 months left in the game? At least at centre, he wouldn’t be underperforming in a critical position and the way he is playing, is probably more suited to centre than any other position on the field.

There is a future immortal who retired last year who is probably the best halfback in the modern era who is 3 times the player Boyd is/was and even he was being questioned week to week despite actually still contributing in key statistical areas. He had a ton more credits than Boyd ever had. And even then JT only had a quiet last season that led to his continued criticism whereas Boyd has had a very very lean 18-24 months from a player of his standing and salary. Anyone would think we are asking peak Darren Lockyer to retire and not a clearly past it Darius.

Also are we the only club in recent times that has moved a club captain to a different position mid season to try and justify keeping him in first grade instead of considering dropping him?

He is a protected species and whilst shit like this goes on with no accountability, then the more fans like me get disillusioned. Talk about experience all you like but I can’t see how picking players on reputation despite a long term sustained continual run of poor form is good for club culture if it is affecting results and what kind of example does that set for squad members trying to crack a first grade spot.

TLDR; maybe we should see how we go without Macca and Boyd before we immediately assume we would fall apart without them
Im not saying this to have a go but it’s really difficult responding to such massive posts. Especially when on a phone and especially when any mistake in response gets jumped all over. I went to reply to your previous post but I got sick of scrolling back up double checking what I was saying that I just thought **** it and didn’t respond.
 

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