Theres no doubting Lockyer's qualities as a player but Langer by far had a greater influence on the sides he directed around the park and could turn matches around a lot more frequently and in a quicker timeframe, I lost count of the amount of times he would put on consecutive tries via the playmaking or the individual brilliance he brought to the side through his ballskills and natural football ability and there aren't many in the games history where they have brought about rule changes because they have become too good at something.Yes, Langer was a better ball player that Lockyer by a long shot. But, the reason why I think Lockyer was a better player is because of the impact he had on the team throughout his career. Just the things he did to turn a game and win it, the way players all stepped up and played like a team because Lockyer made them - Truly amazing.
Chumba said:The reason Langer looked to some people as though he had a great impact on a game IMO was because he had a better combination. Langer, walters, renouf and johns had a great and long serving combination, while Lockyer has never really had a player on either side of him season in and season out. Put a rep level player either side of him for three or four seasons and see how he looks. Langer was great, really great, but locky is poetry in motion.
GCBRONCO said:Chumba said:The reason Langer looked to some people as though he had a great impact on a game IMO was because he had a better combination. Langer, walters, renouf and johns had a great and long serving combination, while Lockyer has never really had a player on either side of him season in and season out. Put a rep level player either side of him for three or four seasons and see how he looks. Langer was great, really great, but locky is poetry in motion.
I disagree with Lockyer not having the players around him to work with both in his times in at fullback and at 5/8th, you obviously missed his time at fullback from 1997-1999 when he was very much playing the role of a second 5/8th with quality players all around him, even past then there were more then enough quality players that a lot of other clubs could only dream about, Priddis, Ikin, Webcke, Civoniceva, Berrigan, Carroll, Hunt and Hodges, Devere, Tallis, Sailor, Tuqiri are hardly second class players who would struggle to make any side you could name from the Broncos history, I will grant that the sides weren't on paper as good, but were still always capable of winning the premiership and we have underperformed a lot since 2002 which is funnily enough Langer's last season.
It really doesn't matter though in the end and I agree lets not turn it into a langer vs lockyer thing, lets just admire his abilities.
I love that momentAlec said:My favourite player of all time. My favourite moment from him isn't a Broncos moment though, it's that try he scored in Origin 2006. "Intercepted by LOCKY!"
Alec said:My favourite player of all time. My favourite moment from him isn't a Broncos moment though, it's that try he scored in Origin 2006. "Intercepted by LOCKY!"
chips rafferty said:Alec said:My favourite player of all time. My favourite moment from him isn't a Broncos moment though, it's that try he scored in Origin 2006. "Intercepted by LOCKY!"
Mine also aint an Origin moment...
SOO 1 2001, Lang Park
First try of the match, Darren takes the ball on the full from a Kimmorley kick, puts Lote into a hole and Lote runs a good 40 metres before returning the ball to Locky to score under the black dot..
Dont know, It was just something about that season!
Renegade said:I love that momentAlec said:My favourite player of all time. My favourite moment from him isn't a Broncos moment though, it's that try he scored in Origin 2006. "Intercepted by LOCKY!"
Rabs: Intercepted by Locky! Locky!
Sterling: He's scored!
Gus: OHHH NOOO