Eels - 2016 Issues
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Tunza's Chin
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Re: Eels Salary Cap Breach
As a rugby league fan in general I have to praise the NRL on the punishment here, they have absolutely hit the nail on the head.
Firstly, the best possible outcome for Rugby League in general is too get rid of those dipsticks on the board... Steve Sharp FFS, if brains were dynamite he couldn't blow his ears off. A well run Eels is great for RL in general, so hopefully this will finally be rock bottom for them (although with them it still could be lower.....)
It absolutely sucks for the fans and players that they cop the punishment for the boars ineptitude, but you just cannot under any circumstances have a team that's cheated the salary cap competing in the finals and possibly a premiership. Docking the points they have already won + not letting them earn more until they are under the cap strikes the right balance between punishing the Eels but still giving their fans the faintest glimmer of hope and they players something to play for. Future crowds, TV ratings and all the rest of those sorts of things have been preserved as much as possible for this season.
I probably wouldn't have too much of an issue with the Eels playing on this year with their points intact. Initial reports suggest they are around 500k over, assuming that includes Watmo's $$ I assume they aren't over once his insurance sorts out... As a fan of another club I don't feel too cheated since he hasn't taken the field (although if I were supporting a team below them on the ladder I may feel differently)... And I think a lot of RL fans feel similarly. But the issue is how do you come down hard enough on them that it is a strong enough deterrent for other clubs going forward? I don't think you can, and it does set a bad precedent.
Perhaps if the NRL were to somehow have the ability to punish individual board members/executives heavily through fines, lifetime bans, round up out front of the leagues club and leave them in stocks for a couple of days etc. then that would may cause club bosses to to think twice before getting the brown paper bags out of the desk draw, or betting 50k on a round of golf with an off-contract player. I'm not sure.... But it just seems bloody unfair to league fans in general - I'd much rather 15 other competitive teams to be running around for the Broncos to smash.
As a rugby league fan in general I have to praise the NRL on the punishment here, they have absolutely hit the nail on the head.
Firstly, the best possible outcome for Rugby League in general is too get rid of those dipsticks on the board... Steve Sharp FFS, if brains were dynamite he couldn't blow his ears off. A well run Eels is great for RL in general, so hopefully this will finally be rock bottom for them (although with them it still could be lower.....)
It absolutely sucks for the fans and players that they cop the punishment for the boars ineptitude, but you just cannot under any circumstances have a team that's cheated the salary cap competing in the finals and possibly a premiership. Docking the points they have already won + not letting them earn more until they are under the cap strikes the right balance between punishing the Eels but still giving their fans the faintest glimmer of hope and they players something to play for. Future crowds, TV ratings and all the rest of those sorts of things have been preserved as much as possible for this season.
I probably wouldn't have too much of an issue with the Eels playing on this year with their points intact. Initial reports suggest they are around 500k over, assuming that includes Watmo's $$ I assume they aren't over once his insurance sorts out... As a fan of another club I don't feel too cheated since he hasn't taken the field (although if I were supporting a team below them on the ladder I may feel differently)... And I think a lot of RL fans feel similarly. But the issue is how do you come down hard enough on them that it is a strong enough deterrent for other clubs going forward? I don't think you can, and it does set a bad precedent.
Perhaps if the NRL were to somehow have the ability to punish individual board members/executives heavily through fines, lifetime bans, round up out front of the leagues club and leave them in stocks for a couple of days etc. then that would may cause club bosses to to think twice before getting the brown paper bags out of the desk draw, or betting 50k on a round of golf with an off-contract player. I'm not sure.... But it just seems bloody unfair to league fans in general - I'd much rather 15 other competitive teams to be running around for the Broncos to smash.
Tunza's Chin
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Oh and isn't Semi basically on half time oranges and a lift home after the game ?
I'll personally double that to a life to AND from the game, if someone can pony up some oranges we may be able to help the Eels out, get them under the cap by this arvo :rolleyes:
Oh and isn't Semi basically on half time oranges and a lift home after the game ?
I'll personally double that to a life to AND from the game, if someone can pony up some oranges we may be able to help the Eels out, get them under the cap by this arvo :rolleyes:
Tunza's Chin
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Was just thinking that - bit like the butterfly effect who knows what could have happened? Maybe Manly keep Foran, Titans keep DCE, who convinces Roberts to stay etc.
Raiders likely to be the big winners - Jnr. Paulo would have to be one of the first cabs off the rank wouldn't he if they have to shed players?
Was just thinking that - bit like the butterfly effect who knows what could have happened? Maybe Manly keep Foran, Titans keep DCE, who convinces Roberts to stay etc.
Raiders likely to be the big winners - Jnr. Paulo would have to be one of the first cabs off the rank wouldn't he if they have to shed players?
mitch222
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Raiders would have to shed a player I reckon. They would be near their salary cap now especially getting Tapine early from the knights
Raiders would have to shed a player I reckon. They would be near their salary cap now especially getting Tapine early from the knights
Tunza's Chin
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I CBF looking it up but I vaguely remember reading Raiders had some $$$ to spare and were looking at him for this year.
If not pretty sure Sisa Waqa asked for a release didn't he?
Paulo is exactly what the raiders need though this season, they've certainly got a pretty good roster now.
EDIT: Foxsports article that's just come up reckons they have the $$$ to get Paulo in.
I CBF looking it up but I vaguely remember reading Raiders had some $$$ to spare and were looking at him for this year.
If not pretty sure Sisa Waqa asked for a release didn't he?
Paulo is exactly what the raiders need though this season, they've certainly got a pretty good roster now.
EDIT: Foxsports article that's just come up reckons they have the $$$ to get Paulo in.
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broncos4life
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Re: Eels Salary Cap Breach
I feel very sorry for the players, coaching staff and fans of Parramatta. They've been betrayed by someone else's greediness and are paying for something they had nothing to do with. Credit to the NRL for coming down on them. Can't imagine what the Eels fans and players are feeling, they at last were looking good and showing their best form for years and now this has potentially ruined their season and roster.
I feel very sorry for the players, coaching staff and fans of Parramatta. They've been betrayed by someone else's greediness and are paying for something they had nothing to do with. Credit to the NRL for coming down on them. Can't imagine what the Eels fans and players are feeling, they at last were looking good and showing their best form for years and now this has potentially ruined their season and roster.
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Watmough will surely retire, won't he? That'll count for most of the shortfall.
Watmough will surely retire, won't he? That'll count for most of the shortfall.
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Maybe the Watmough situation is more complex than we think. IIRC the new agreement says that if a player has to retire prematurely, then the player is entitled to their full contract worth, but the club does not have to carry the full amount in the cap. That does sound like it will be the simplest solution, however because he has yet to retire maybe only the remaining part of his contract would be partially exempt once he does retire, therefore the pre-season and first 9 rounds will be fully included in the cap, which would end up being more than half of a year's salary anyway (considering contracts go from October to October or whatever).
I still think the NRL is deliberately ignoring the role of the player's managers in all of this. They know the rules and regulations for 3rd party deals. If what I'm reading is true, the problem is that these deals have been struck with official club sponsors - surely that's something the managers should be checking? Either they're in on the rort, or they're grossly incompetent.
Maybe the Watmough situation is more complex than we think. IIRC the new agreement says that if a player has to retire prematurely, then the player is entitled to their full contract worth, but the club does not have to carry the full amount in the cap. That does sound like it will be the simplest solution, however because he has yet to retire maybe only the remaining part of his contract would be partially exempt once he does retire, therefore the pre-season and first 9 rounds will be fully included in the cap, which would end up being more than half of a year's salary anyway (considering contracts go from October to October or whatever).
I still think the NRL is deliberately ignoring the role of the player's managers in all of this. They know the rules and regulations for 3rd party deals. If what I'm reading is true, the problem is that these deals have been struck with official club sponsors - surely that's something the managers should be checking? Either they're in on the rort, or they're grossly incompetent.
Tunza's Chin
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How quick insurance sorts out is probably out of Parra's control though but that'd be the best fix.
That's a toughie now I think about it. If your in charge of Parra right now do you just sit tight and wait for Watmough's $$$ to get off the cap? Unlikely it'd be sorted before their next game considering how long its dragged on already, so they might end up playing for no points and completely shut the door on making the eight this season... But if you have a fire sale you start to damage next season and lose players you might otherwise keep. So do they write off this season with an eye to the next.
570k is a bit of cash - do they have to replace those spots in their 25 or can they have a squad with less players? If they have to replace them with guys on minimum wage it makes things harder again - they'd be more likely to lose someone they want to keep.
How quick insurance sorts out is probably out of Parra's control though but that'd be the best fix.
That's a toughie now I think about it. If your in charge of Parra right now do you just sit tight and wait for Watmough's $$$ to get off the cap? Unlikely it'd be sorted before their next game considering how long its dragged on already, so they might end up playing for no points and completely shut the door on making the eight this season... But if you have a fire sale you start to damage next season and lose players you might otherwise keep. So do they write off this season with an eye to the next.
570k is a bit of cash - do they have to replace those spots in their 25 or can they have a squad with less players? If they have to replace them with guys on minimum wage it makes things harder again - they'd be more likely to lose someone they want to keep.
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How?!?!?!?!?! I know there were some surprisingly large contract figures thrown about.
$450k for Norman
$550k for Sandow
$450k for Lussick
$800k for Hopoate
Who knows what for Hayne
But they didn't all play in the same seasons (Hayne didn't play beside Hoppa, for example). Were these figures not even close to what the players were really paid? It's insane.
How?!?!?!?!?! I know there were some surprisingly large contract figures thrown about.
$450k for Norman
$550k for Sandow
$450k for Lussick
$800k for Hopoate
Who knows what for Hayne
But they didn't all play in the same seasons (Hayne didn't play beside Hoppa, for example). Were these figures not even close to what the players were really paid? It's insane.
