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pagey

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He's no good defending there, that's for sure. In the middle he was snapping props in half 1v1, plus our attack looked 3x as good.
Agree he is much better at 9 , I'm still not convinced he is our savior at 9 but.
 

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Bird could quite easily play 5/8 as well
He'd (probably) be better than Boyd but he's not the ideal long term option IMO. He has never really shown many half qualities. He'd just be there to run the ball strongly and pass it onto Milford.
 

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He's no good defending there, that's for sure. In the middle he was snapping props in half 1v1, plus our attack looked 3x as good.
I was thinking about this and I think Turps likes to have momentum into the tackle... so when he's out on the edges he comes rushing in looking for momentum through the tackle, but that's not what you want on the edge.

They need to be able to defend whilst sliding and be strong enough to go up top and hang on for support like Bhunt used to do... if Turps isn't used to that it can be difficult to change things
 
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so who do we realistically see/want gone from the club nexts season..?

Boyd - yeh/nah
Gillett - yeh/nah
Macca - yeh/nah
Glenn -yeh/nah

Cause I guarantee some of those guys would get tepid interest from other clubs and some would get exactly zero...

Plus we'd probably have to subsidise their contracts to get them off the books. 50% or something like that which stays with us. This realistically is what it "costs" the club to get them out..can anyone else simply see nay of these guys leaving money on the table cause its good for the team?

I dont, and I wouldn't expect them too....
If you think Glenn should go then your on drugs, if anything he deserves to be captain.
 

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If you think Glenn should go then your on drugs, if anything he deserves to be captain.
tis why im asking......who would you keep and who would you let go..??

Im feeling its Boyd and Macca maybe given the responses so far....and if that holds then....how..?

Hence why we would have to subsidise their contracts cause they will not simply leave money on the table if they are under contract...
 

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Would he have been? He's playing 6 at the Warriors and isn't exactly setting the world on fire despite the Warriors having a gameplan that actually suits his style of play. And it's not like the Warriors have a shit roster, it's actually quite good.
Well, he would have had an opportunity to show what he can do as a six rather than a halfback here. I see what you are saying about the warriors, but they arent exactly playing to their ability either. I just think we might have got the best out of him not playing next to Milf in the halves.
 

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so who do we realistically see/want gone from the club nexts season..?

Boyd - yeh/nah
Gillett - yeh/nah
Macca - yeh/nah
Glenn -yeh/nah
Boyd still offers us something IMO, mainly teaching our kids how to be professionals ... but he needs to be out spine, he is a major liability there now as his body can't handle it anymore ... so, for next year, he should be in the centers ... unless we can transition him into a coaching/mentor role without being penalized on the salary cap.

Gillett has had a shocking year coming off his fractured neck... but i would definitely give him next year, to see if he can get back to his best ... because at his best he is one of the best backrowers in the game.

Macca can either have a release, if he can find a new home or play ISC as a backup ... we need to run with a Turps/Segers 1-2 punch from next year (or next week)

Glenn has been our best most consistent back rower this year ... the bloke is an utter professional, is ultra consistent and the most under rated player in the game IMO ... definitely deserves another contract ... even if it is only one year, with a plan to transition him into a coaching role after that
 
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Well, he would have had an opportunity to show what he can do as a six rather than a halfback here. I see what you are saying about the warriors, but they arent exactly playing to their ability either. I just think we might have got the best out of him not playing next to Milf in the halves.
He might have had a 7 on his back but nikorima was not the halfback. He would have been a great dummy half impact sub, maybe starting occasionally. He didn't want to play that role because he had this idea put in his head by a past coach that he was a starting half. He isn't...
Not one player anyone has talked about that we should have kept has shown anything whatsoever that has made me think "what a mistake letting them go". Mcguire has been good at cowboys but for a player on his money you'd want him to be, and if we kept him we lose one maybe two of our young forwards who have shown they can be great. Ffs we just need patience. Consistency was always going to be an issue with a young team. But we weren't winning any premierships with the lot we had. Would I have liked to have kept mcguire, knik and kahu in the team-yes. But we have a salary cap. We either lose players that could be great in exchange for a few more years of players who have had their chance to win us a premiership, or we take a chance and try to build a premiership team.

Regardless, kahu, mcguire and knik weren't going to be happy making way for the young brigade we have coming through. And they would have been in 2 years MAX. And yes I have forgotten about Roberts. He has been attrocious at souffs but even if he had been great that was by far the best decision seibold has made. He was obviously toxic.
 

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Well, he would have had an opportunity to show what he can do as a six rather than a halfback here. I see what you are saying about the warriors, but they arent exactly playing to their ability either. I just think we might have got the best out of him not playing next to Milf in the halves.
I just don't see Nikorima as a half and I don't think he's ever going to be successful there. He's never really going to be a consistent performer in the halves.

Fullback on the other hand.. He could be a gun at fullback and I can't think of a bad performance from him when he was playing fullback for us. He also showed against the Panthers in that semi final that his height is not an issue.
 

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I find this he looks happier stuff hilarious. It’s just a throw away line people use trying to justify their opinions.

He could look fucking miserable at 6 for all I care as long as it’s best for our team, which it is.
I don't really agree that Milford at 5/8 is best for the team. My reasons aren't because he appears happier but I think he does anyway. My preference has always been for smaller halfbacks and stockier 5/8s but appearances and physical dimension aside I like it being more difficult for the offence to pick out the smaller guys.

One of my absolute favourite players was Jason Smith and my perfect size for a 5/8. The fact he had time and great timing as well were bonuses. He was a solid defender too.

Milford and another little guy just present too easy a target and they end up doing a mountain of defence. I'm writing this in a general sense and not referring to our current setup.
 

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He might have had a 7 on his back but nikorima was not the halfback. He would have been a great dummy half impact sub, maybe starting occasionally. He didn't want to play that role because he had this idea put in his head by a past coach that he was a starting half. He isn't...
Not one player anyone has talked about that we should have kept has shown anything whatsoever that has made me think "what a mistake letting them go". Mcguire has been good at cowboys but for a player on his money you'd want him to be, and if we kept him we lose one maybe two of our young forwards who have shown they can be great. Ffs we just need patience. Consistency was always going to be an issue with a young team. But we weren't winning any premierships with the lot we had. Would I have liked to have kept mcguire, knik and kahu in the team-yes. But we have a salary cap. We either lose players that could be great in exchange for a few more years of players who have had their chance to win us a premiership, or we take a chance and try to build a premiership team.

Regardless, kahu, mcguire and knik weren't going to be happy making way for the young brigade we have coming through. And they would have been in 2 years MAX. And yes I have forgotten about Roberts. He has been attrocious at souffs but even if he had been great that was by far the best decision seibold has made. He was obviously toxic.
I'd have only really liked us to have kept Moose who we let go. I will never be convinced letting such a quality forward who is an ultimate competitor go was a good decision. He wasnt on the type of money the Cowboys are paying him here, so he may have wanted to leave regardless as their offer was really good. Poor old Kahu again is just so injury prone. Nikorima i do think suffered from pretty much playing the same type of game as Milf, but not as well as Milf, but i think he could have been an option at 6. I do think his most effective role is as an impact hooker, but i've seen enough from him to think he could be a decent 5/8.

Consistency was an issue last year as well tbf with the amount of younger guys we blooded as well. We were pretty erratic. Great one week and poor the next. i think this year its a bit more pronounced.
 
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I'd have only really liked us to have kept Moose who we let go. I will never be convinced letting such a quality forward who is an ultimate competitor go was a good decision. He wasnt on the type of money the Cowboys are paying him here, so he may have wanted to leave regardless as their offer was really good. Poor old Kahu again is just so injury prone. Nikorima i do think suffered from pretty much playing the same type of game as Milf, but not as well as Milf, but i think he could have been an option at 6. I do think his most effective role is as an impact hooker, but i've seen enough from him to think he could be a decent 5/8.

Consistency was an issue last year as well tbf with the amount of younger guys we blooded as well. We were pretty erratic. Great one week and poor the next. i think this year its a bit more pronounced.
Great response mate. Can't argue with any of it. And for once in this place, looking at both sides of the argument. Im prone to it myself, but this place is insane sometimes...
 

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Great response mate. Can't argue with any of it. And for once in this place, looking at both sides of the argument. Im prone to it myself, but this place is insane sometimes...
I must admit I'm a bit down on Seibs, probably because i expected a lot more from us this year. I do like him as a coach and i was expecting him to just tweak our structures and plays like he did at Souths rather than rip everything up like he has. Maybe its what we need, i guess we will see next year if it all pans out.
 

pagey

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I must admit I'm a bit down on Seibs, probably because i expected a lot more from us this year. I do like him as a coach and i was expecting him to just tweak our structures and plays like he did at Souths rather than rip everything up like he has. Maybe its what we need, i guess we will see next year if it all pans out.
Burgess , inglis, cook , gagai , Reynolds and Walker helped.
 

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I must admit I'm a bit down on Seibs, probably because i expected a lot more from us this year. I do like him as a coach and i was expecting him to just tweak our structures and plays like he did at Souths rather than rip everything up like he has. Maybe its what we need, i guess we will see next year if it all pans out.
I think you’ve been too harsh, but with the best of intentions. We need more than a season to recalibrate. WB is the Broncos. It’s a poisoned chalice to follow him. It’s akin to being the Storm’s hooker after Smith retires. We gotta be patient and hopeful. It’s all we have.
 

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If you think Glenn should go then your on drugs, if anything he deserves to be captain.
On form I'd rather lose one of the others mentioned, but Glenn is off contract and we need to re-sign Fifita immediately. Plus I'm not really sure where Glenn fits in next year, Fifita and TPJ should be our starting second row forwards but Gillett is likely going to be hanging around. I reckon Carrigan will be prime to start at lock and play 60+ mins, he's a workhorse in the Arrow mold and is really coming good.
 

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