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The Don

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Sorry won't let me edit but above assumes the competition is competitive, if it is similar to this year 5-8 for sure. I can't see us being any weaker than the Knights and Sharks have been at stages this year.
 

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Bizarre isn’t it.
It's more about the gauging and understanding the strength of rugby league in the south east of Queensland. If both the Titans and Broncos are big in the news in a favourable way then queensland rugby league has a respected and powerful voice. Big crowds at both venues is a good thing.

I'm interested in knowing the strength of the Titans roster to properly assess the coaches progress. Never know, he might be our next coach after the next.
 

The Don

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Rumour is Titans are sniffing around.

Not sure how they could possibly afford yet another high-priced signing...
I reckon they can afford him, I am just not sure he is someone we need. Hooker and centre are our weak spots. Probably just linking because we are in the general area.
 

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I reckon they can afford him, I am just not sure he is someone we need. Hooker and centre are our weak spots. Probably just linking because we are in the general area.
They can’t afford an 800k player... they’re not getting much or any salary cap relief from Shannon Boyd retiring and I am pretty sure Ryan james wasn’t off contract... they also have a few players that are being overpaid that nobody wants
 

The Don

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They can’t afford an 800k player... they’re not getting much or any salary cap relief from Shannon Boyd retiring and I am pretty sure Ryan james wasn’t off contract... they also have a few players that are being overpaid that nobody wants
James was off contract and Boyd was granted a release as reported on NRL.com. The only overpaid ones left would be Ash and possibly Wallace on 600k which is barely a salary cap killer. I won't go into too much detail as I have posted it somewhere else before but we have literally got rid of over 4M of cap space this year and signed just over 2M to come in. I repeat we are not struggling for cap space. Only reason we wouldn't have a go is we already have a fairly strong forward rotation and our weaknesses are elsewhere. Obviously some of that cap might also be needed for upgrades and a salary cap decrease is also a possibility.

As much as I would usually love to have him at the Titans if he comes to QLD I would have money on it being the Broncos. Not because we don't have the money but because he isn't what we lack and hence wouldn't bring as much value as a strike centre or elite hooker. Hope you get him.
 

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I’m happy to talk Titans but this should really go in your thread from now on. This is a Broncos player movement thread, so in terms of the Titans, in this thread no one cares.
Fair enough, figured it was relative given I was replying and trying to say it is probably just media beat up given circumstances with the Broncos being the only one looking into him. Can you reply with quote across threads?
 

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They can’t afford an 800k player... they’re not getting much or any salary cap relief from Shannon Boyd retiring and I am pretty sure Ryan james wasn’t off contract... they also have a few players that are being overpaid that nobody wants
They shouldn't be getting any cap relief for Boyd.

You can't medically retire for being fat and no longer able to play the game.
 

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James was off contract and Boyd was granted a release as reported on NRL.com. The only overpaid ones left would be Ash and possibly Wallace on 600k which is barely a salary cap killer. I won't go into too much detail as I have posted it somewhere else before but we have literally got rid of over 4M of cap space this year and signed just over 2M to come in. I repeat we are not struggling for cap space. Only reason we wouldn't have a go is we already have a fairly strong forward rotation and our weaknesses are elsewhere. Obviously some of that cap might also be needed for upgrades and a salary cap decrease is also a possibility.

As much as I would usually love to have him at the Titans if he comes to QLD I would have money on it being the Broncos. Not because we don't have the money but because he isn't what we lack and hence wouldn't bring as much value as a strike centre or elite hooker. Hope you get him.
He simply isn't a good value purchase for the Titans. Not that he in himself wouldn't be good value, but you're correct in saying you have other problem areas in the squad that need attention far more than purchasing another big minute Middle Forward. Someone besides Brimson in your backline who can ask questions in attack seems to me to be a pretty logical priority for you guys.
 

kooly87

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Fair enough, figured it was relative given I was replying and trying to say it is probably just media beat up given circumstances with the Broncos being the only one looking into him. Can you reply with quote across threads?
I thought it was entirely in context with the conversation to be honest, so personally I don't really see the issue.
 
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BroncsFan

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Mate, it isn't about the medical grounds, it's about the player themselves and particularly the club they play for and how invested the NRL is in seeing that club get what they need. It's why Inglis was able to be retired at a club like Souths despite signing up to play 5 minutes later in the ESL and now is even talking up an Origin comeback, also why the Titans who the NRL have had enough of propping up financially are able to get someone like Boyd off their books with no real questions asked if it helps them relieve a financial burden and become more competitive.
Of course it is ... that's why I continue to highlight it.

No fucking way should it be going unchecked that a prop who played this year should be able to retire on medical grounds because the game has passed him by.

Also Cartwright apparently walking away from his $500k-$800k contract with no other contract in place... why would he do such things??

Is he planning to become an anti-vax influencer on Instagram or did he simply get paid out by the NSWRL behind closed doors so the great white hope of the comp can afford a ludicrous contract to bring Fifita to the Tweed Coast Titans
 
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Of course it is ... that's why I continue to highlight it.

No fucking way should it be going unchecked that a prop who played this year should be able to retire on medical grounds because the game has passed him by.

Also Cartwright apparently walking away from his $500k-$800k contract with no other contract in place... why would he do such things??

Is he planning to become an anti-vax influencer on Instagram or did he simply get paid out by the NSWRL behind closed doors so the great white hope of the comp can afford a ludicrous contract to bring Fifita to the Tweed Coast Titans
He hasn't retired on medical grounds, he was released because he wants to go back to his farm- any payout will be on the Titans cap for two years.
 

The Don

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Of course it is ... that's why I continue to highlight it.

No fucking way should it be going unchecked that a prop who played this year should be able to retire on medical grounds because the game has passed him by.

Also Cartwright apparently walking away from his $500k-$800k contract with no other contract in place... why would he do such things??

Is he planning to become an anti-vax influencer on Instagram or did he simply get paid out by the NSWRL behind closed doors so the great white hope of the comp can afford a ludicrous contract to bring Fifita to the Tweed Coast Titans
Sorry, didn't want to reply in that thread as not relative. On Boyd, I am pretty sure he was actually granted a release that he asked for due to injuries. Hence it wasn't a medical retirement but him walking away. Whether he was paid out after for requesting a release I have no way of knowing, but dissimilar to I assume Cartwright he does have a family farm to fall back on financially so it isn't totally out of the question. The whole Cartwright fiasco has been confusing. I think it is admirable if he truly just left because he is homesick and misses family etc. but personally, it baffles me why he would just walk away. We already would've had enough for Fifita regardless of Cartwright's decision though.

To be fair, I know exactly what you mean though, we lost Arrow due to that garbage medical retirement of Burgess who had a contract until 2023 and walked into a role with the club. There is way too much inconsistency not only on the field but off of it in the NRL lately.
 

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James was off contract and Boyd was granted a release as reported on NRL.com. The only overpaid ones left would be Ash and possibly Wallace on 600k which is barely a salary cap killer. I won't go into too much detail as I have posted it somewhere else before but we have literally got rid of over 4M of cap space this year and signed just over 2M to come in. I repeat we are not struggling for cap space. Only reason we wouldn't have a go is we already have a fairly strong forward rotation and our weaknesses are elsewhere. Obviously some of that cap might also be needed for upgrades and a salary cap decrease is also a possibility.

As much as I would usually love to have him at the Titans if he comes to QLD I would have money on it being the Broncos. Not because we don't have the money but because he isn't what we lack and hence wouldn't bring as much value as a strike centre or elite hooker. Hope you get him.
Genuine remark / question, as I don’t follow the Titans.

If you’ve only signed $2mil for next year, surely Fifita and Tino take up most of that, so you haven’t signed anyone else, or at least anyone of note?
 

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No more discussion about Titans contracts in the Broncos thread please unless it's directly related to the Broncos. It's not convenient to try to keep up on player movements if 3 pages is littered with Titans contract discussion. Any Titans related posts, this thread is here for it. I've moved any Titan's posts to here.
 
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The Don

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1.25 million + 600,000. Ese ese 300,000 MINIMUM. Say 500,000 on upgrades. There's also no way you get every single CENT of the contracted players contracts off of the salary cap, that'd be politis-like cap management with some souffs-level NRL help . You release 8 players you need to replace all 8 in your cap space. You can't just fill spots with 4 million dollar players
Boyd, Proctor and James wages get close to adding up to Ese'ese Tino and Fifita's. So this idea of 8 players out 3 in isn't completely realistic. But yes I do understand your point. We also have Watkin's 2021 money, Arrow, Peats and by the looks Cartwright all leaving who wouldn't be on peanuts and given the current off contract list I am willing to assume we can get players cheaper then them to offset Fifita's even more so.

If they asked for releases... every single cent does come off in that case. Still unsure on Cartwright though hence he was in the second list. 4 million dollar players? I count 2 with Ash's contract ending next year leaving us with 1 from 2022 onwards? Even 500k on upgrades to 2 interchange props ain't realistic.
 

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T The Don where do you see Tanah Boyd in the next few years. Just a benchy or likely to fill the hooking role.
He has come along nicely this year and will prove to be more than handy in the next few seasons.
 

The Don

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T The Don where do you see Tanah Boyd in the next few years. Just a benchy or likely to fill the hooking role.
He has come along nicely this year and will prove to be more than handy in the next few seasons.
Honestly, I have no idea. Up until Canberra game where he got a chance at five-eighth he hadn't particularly impressed me. Seemed to give it a decent crack in that game and came up with a few quality plays. Hard to tell. No reserve grade is a killer. I just don't see him getting much of a chance bar injuries and by all reports we seem to have some quality halves coming through in Toby Sexton and Tom Weaver too. Obviously I am willing to give him time but he hasn't really looked suited to the hooker role with a number of errors and service not up to scratch yet. All depends on whether they can coach him for it I guess.

On that note though, they are parading that Boyd-Fifita combo from schoolboy days so maybe he'll get a crack in trials and possibly early rounds next year?
 
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kooly87

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Honestly, I have no idea. Up until Canberra game where he got a chance at five-eighth he hadn't particularly impressed me. Seemed to give it a decent crack in that game and came up with a few quality plays. Hard to tell. No reserve grade is a killer. I just don't see him getting much of a chance bar injuries and by all reports we seem to have some quality halves coming through in Toby Sexton and Tom Weaver too. Obviously I am willing to give him time but he hasn't really looked suited to the hooker role with a number of errors and service not up to scratch yet. All depends on whether they can coach him for it I guess.

On that note though, they are parading that Boyd-Fifita combo from schoolboy days so maybe he'll get a crack in trials and possibly early rounds next year?
I think if you don't have a gun Dummy Half, you'd damn sure better have a gun in the Halves and probably a gun at Fullback too.

The Titans don't really have a gun in any of these roles yet, so Dummy Half seems to me like it would be a priority position to recruit for.

In 1. Brimson 6. Taylor 7. Fogarty they have a competent spine with a bit of upside potential in the future, but they don't have a top 5 player in any of those positions, so they ideally need to look to recruit a high quality Dummy Half at some point to help balance out the rest of that spine.

FWIW we don't have a Top 5 player in any of our spine positions either, which goes a long way to explaining why we're running second last.
 
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