Haas - Off Field Dramas

[ivanhungryjak]

I am not happy with it but I understand it. It is easy to understand both the family loyalty and the expectations of a business. If any employer asks you to go before an investigation board you do it, you answer the questions honestly and with integrity and if you feel you can'tger, get a union rep or a lawyer to advise you because shit like that can result in termination, in the real world.

This is also a shot across the bow of all our younger crop. Act accordingly or sit it out for a while.

This is exactly how Scott Sattler described it on radio tonight - a shot across the bow. Also, he intimated that the family thing is pretty commonly known in lower grade circles and some of the family are even banned from Suncorp apparently, according to him.

 

[Super Freak]

Suspended rookie prop Payne Haas has spoken of his disappointment at letting down Brisbane bosses and has vowed not to ruin his promising NRL career at the Broncos.

Then stop sticking up for people that put you in a position that can affect your career.

What kind of family does that and just lets it happen instead of trying to do something about it? This isn't the first time by the sounds of it.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

And this is why politics creeping into sport will completely destroy the fabric of this form of
Entertainment in 20 years the rate it is going.

Pretty soon, the outraged generation will have their claws dug in deep enough in all sporting codes that future fans won’t even give a flying blue ribbon **** about whether or not their team competes and wins on a week to week basis, all future fans will care about is who is doing what off the field so they can take the moral high ground and try and feed their shallow ego off it, or it’ll be about who can throw a player under the bus for any minor indiscretion to get their kicks.

Unfuckingbelievable the way this current social climate is trending.

Say what you want but at the end of the day it clearly sounds like he is being suspended for 4 games and $20k fine because he refused to fully cooperate to protect his brother from probably being charged for assault. A discretion which 99% of people would probably do in the same situation and feel pressured to do yet we let the fucking seals at the zoo down south open their fat gob and act like it’s the crime of century and that he got off lightly further fuelling the outraged culture stigma even further.

If you support the severity of the punishment you are as bad as the Social Justice Cockheads who are infiltrating the scene because social media has finally given these sad souls a voice that they believe people actually want to hear.

A bit of common sense could have prevailed here and if what he did was a breach of the clubs code of conduct, maybe all things considered could have just been suspended for a game and a $10k fine considering the circumstances and they fact it is his first indiscretion. Just because we have Barba throwing rocks and bashing his missus and JDB on an alleged rape charge and bringing the game into disrepute shouldn’t mean we have to over inflate Payne’s punishment just because the game is in damage control. And yes it was a club punishment but we no doubt did it to appease the IU to try and keep them on our side.

Phil Gould believe it or not is 100% correct when he continuously bleats on his podcasts ‘Players and Referees don’t run the game, Social Media runs the game’

Rant Over. Just bring on March and start kicking the fucking white oval thing around for **** sake.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

this only has relevance to the Haas situation if either Jack De Belin plays for the Broncos or the NRL were doing the punishing, since neither are the case, then this comparison is without merit ...

We can not and should not, let how another club disciplines (or lack thereof) its' players, dictate the penalties that we issue for breaches to our code of conduct.

It does have relevance to the Broncos situation for 2 reasons...

1. The NRL were going to punish him anyway if the club didn’t. The fact we had to come up with a punishment that the NRL agreed with ensured he wasn’t going to be sitting out even longer.

2. The bad press JDB on top of Barba have done to the game means we have to punish a player for a minor indiscretion probably a lot harsher than required because the above 2 mentioned idiots had put the game into damage control. And of course we are having to pick up the slack for
it. What’s even worse is the Barba situation effectively cost us Jordan Kahu.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

Was it? Do we have a source? Also, I rarely agree with Peter Tunks but he brought up a good point. What clown, when they see some disturbance , thinks, no, I won’t ring the coppers, I’ll ring the NRL Integrity Unit!

A clown who clearly has an agenda against the Haas family and took the soft and easy option of trying to get back at them where it hurts.

 

[Locky’s Left Boot]

I bet the cockhead bystander would have still rang the IU anyway even if Payne had of got involved to try and break it up. He was in a lose lose situation anyway. May as well not even leave the fucking bedroom if your own home if you have made even half a name for yourself for fear that the vultures will be out there just waiting for you to put a small foot wrong so they can over exaggerate it.

Payne probably didn’t even step in because he was probably self consciously thinking ‘if I even remotely get involved and touch someone here, I could be in trouble and be fined and suspended when it gets taken out of context’ only to get fined and suspended anyway for standing there and then not wanting to throw his brother under the bus to the IU. You couldn’t even make this shit up!

 

[Super Freak]

What also really pisses me off is that there is an alleged rapist, i.e. Jack de Belin, who appears free to play from the start of the season. WTF.

Difference being the incident involving JDB is alleged. It has not been proven, the process is still ongoing. Once that's all done and JDB has been found to have done the wrong thing, he will never play another NRL game again.

The situation with Haas is different. It's not alleged. It's been proven. The Broncos and the NRL did what they needed to do first. They went through a process and Haas refused to cooperate despite signing a contract that says he has to so they suspended him.

 

[Mr Fourex]

My personal guess is that the integrity unit didn't really care that much about Haas not going in to details, as they were satisfied he didn't do anything wrong. I'd say they contacted Seibold and said that Haas didn't fully cooperate, but they're satisfied he did no wrong doing, and probably recommended a minor in-house punishment for not fully cooperating with them (1 trial game suspension seems fair). But Seibold wants to make his mark, be the "new Bennett" with the "tough love" or whatever. So my guess is that Haas is more or less a scapegoat for Seibold to make his mark on the playing group / fan base.

Thats a pretty long bow

 

[Dee]

And this is why politics creeping into sport will completely destroy the fabric of this form of
Entertainment in 20 years the rate it is going.

Pretty soon, the outraged generation will have their claws dug in deep enough in all sporting codes that future fans won’t even give a flying blue ribbon **** about whether or not their team competes and wins on a week to week basis, all future fans will care about is who is doing what off the field so they can take the moral high ground and try and feed their shallow ego off it, or it’ll be about who can throw a player under the bus for any minor indiscretion to get their kicks.

Unfuckingbelievable the way this current social climate is trending.

Say what you want but at the end of the day it clearly sounds like he is being suspended for 4 games and $20k fine because he refused to fully cooperate to protect his brother from probably being charged for assault. A discretion which 99% of people would probably do in the same situation and feel pressured to do yet we let the fucking seals at the zoo down south open their fat gob and act like it’s the crime of century and that he got off lightly further fuelling the outraged culture stigma even further.

If you support the severity of the punishment you are as bad as the Social Justice Cockheads who are infiltrating the scene because social media has finally given these sad souls a voice that they believe people actually want to hear.

A bit of common sense could have prevailed here and if what he did was a breach of the clubs code of conduct, maybe all things considered could have just been suspended for a game and a $10k fine considering the circumstances and they fact it is his first indiscretion. Just because we have Barba throwing rocks and bashing his missus and JDB on an alleged rape charge and bringing the game into disrepute shouldn’t mean we have to over inflate Payne’s punishment just because the game is in damage control. And yes it was a club punishment but we no doubt did it to appease the IU to try and keep them on our side.

Phil Gould believe it or not is 100% correct when he continuously bleats on his podcasts ‘Players and Referees don’t run the game, Social Media runs the game’

Rant Over. Just bring on March and start kicking the fucking white oval thing around for **** sake.

I agree with you 110%. Spot on. This entire thing has been overkill. I understand our club taking a firm stand on this, but a suspension of 4 games and 20k is ridiculous, really.

 

[Porthoz]

I don't know, maybe different Apples but they're still Apples.

He's been punished for not spilling details on a private police matter about his family. He was not involved, he did nothing wrong, even the expectation of him being expected to tell the club what happened is absurd.

I'm sorry, I just completely disagree. I don't agree with the punishment, nor the premise that he is contractually obliged to tell his employer what his family did in a matter outside of his employment that is under investigation by the police.

We can go around in circles but honestly, I just fundamentally disagree that he's in any way at fault, even more so after Chris Garry explained that he's been punished for not spilling details on what happened during the fight. He went and met with the integrity unit, his family had a domestic incident, and he doesn't want his employer to know his familiy's pretty personal troubles. I think that's totally fair and I would absolutely do the same thing he did and would happily cop the suspension over the invasion of my family's privacy.

The story is now - He spoke to the integrity unit but wasn't willing to tell them the details of what happened with his family. They don't have a right to know that shit. They've hired a rugby league player, they don't own his fucking soul and right to privacy. If HE did something wrong, by all means hammer him with a suspension for not discussing it. He should not be obliged to tell his employer what his family got up to. They're not public figures.

That bold part tells me you still don't get it. The issue is lack of cooperation with the NRL's Integrity Unit, which in turn constitutes a breach of the Broncos code of conduct, period.
You're of course entitled to your opinion, and if you're happy to cop the suspension for the sake of a dickhead in your family, power to you, but don't try to imply it's not fair because you don't like the rules, or the code of conduct you agreed upon when you signed your (millionaire in this case) contract.

You're pushing the idea that he has to divulge details about his family to the club to back your outrage, when:
1- The NRL IU is not the club.
2- You don't actually know what the inquiries were, nor how exactly Haas responded to them. The media's speculation is not proof of anything.
3- The IU has every right to ask any question they deem relevant to maintaining the integrity of the game. Neither you nor Haas can determine what is or isn't within that realm. And you're off your rocker if you actually believe that family privacy trumps an investigation by such a body.

 

[Kimlo]

That bold part tells me you still don't get it. The issue is lack of cooperation with the NRL's Integrity Unit, which in turn constitutes a breach of the Broncos code of conduct, period.
You're of course entitled to your opinion, and if you're happy to cop the suspension for the sake of a dickhead in your family, power to you, but don't try to imply it's not fair because you don't like the rules, or the code of conduct you agreed upon when you signed your (millionaire in this case) contract.

You're pushing the idea that he has to divulge details about his family to the club to back your outrage, when:
1- The NRL IU is not the club.
2- You don't actually know what the inquiries were, nor how exactly Haas responded to them. The media's speculation is not proof of anything.
3- The IU has every right to ask any question they deem relevant to maintaining the integrity of the game. Neither you nor Haas can determine what is or isn't within that realm. And you're off your rocker if you actually believe that family privacy trumps an investigation by such a body.

No I totally get it, I just disagree with both the severity of the punishment and the fact that he's compelled to give details about something he's not involved in. I know exactly on what grounds he's been punished, I don't agree with those grounds.


1 - Obviously not but clearly they have the same influence as the employer in this case so may as well be hired by them if he has to follow their rules. The club is probably just firing first before the NRL does.
2 - Neither do you and on what I do know, I totally disagree with the punishment.
3 - Every right according to who? I doubt it would stand up in a court of law that he's required to divulge in detail an incident that occurred outside of his place of employment that he was not involved in. I totally believe privacy trumps the IU's investigation and I'm pretty sure a court would agree to. If you disagree with that, that's fine, we obviously have different views on what is appropriate contract law, neither of us are lawyers but I certainly see it as an over reach to deny him income and stop him from his regular employment duties based on what has been publicly revealed.

There's been conflicting reports. If it's related to an incident that happened in an NRL affiliated game, sure he should be required to talk as any player would. If it happens he was simply out in public and his family got in a punch on and some nosey dickhead reported it to the NRL instead of the cops, I don't think he should be compelled to say a word.

The 20k is no big deal, it's probably less than 5% of his salary. 4 games? Over kill. That's really all I'm arguing here, not that he got punished at all but that he got punished way over what's appropriate for what he's supposedly done.

 

[Sproj]

There are so many unknown factors here and a lot of fans are going off their rocker despite this.

Big Pete summer it up perfectly, there must be more to the story because if there isn’t, it is an extremely harsh penalty for sure, despite the fact a penalty is needed.

That said, if he lied for example, then it becomes a more serious matter. However we have no idea about almost all the details. So let’s just curb our enthusiasm for either side a little.

One thing is for sure, this sends a very strong message to the rest of this super talented but very young side, rubbish will not be tolerated.

At the same time, the strategic release of the Hopoate story today shows that the Broncs are not heartless either, they are willing to forgive and back players who have made a mistake but have paid for it.

That’s a club I’d be proud to support, not one that somehow had nothing wrong in the one year they won a premiership but lots wrong before and again the season after and is full of a group of some of the most unlikeable players (and coach at the time) in the game.

There’s a reason the Broncs are so well supported and respected, AND financially backed more than any other side, they have standards that they are not afraid to maintain even if it comes at a cost.

So harsh punishment or not, supporters should be proud to support the one professional club in the NRL.

 

[Super Freak]

There's been conflicting reports. If it's related to an incident that happened in an NRL affiliated game, sure he should be required to talk as any player would. If it happens he was simply out in public and his family got in a punch on and some nosey dickhead reported it to the NRL instead of the cops, I don't think he should be compelled to say a word.

What conflicting reports?

Every article I've read have said the same thing. Two separate incidents. One at a footy game and one not.

 

[Morkel]

I doubt anyone will admit it, but I can't help but feel a lot of the angst comes from it being Payne Haas.

Everyone wants to see how he goes. We got a tease last year before he got injured. Now we got a tease from some grainy trial footage, and will now have to wait at least 6 weeks to see him play.

Would people be as pissed off if it was Patrick Mago?

 

[Brotherdu]

I doubt anyone will admit it, but I can't help but feel a lot of the angst comes from it being Payne Haas.

Everyone wants to see how he goes. We got a tease last year before he got injured. Now we got a tease from some grainy trial footage, and will now have to wait at least 6 weeks to see him play.

Would people be as pissed off if it was Patrick Mago?

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Everyone is excited about this current squad, Haas being one of the 'next big thing's' locked away for 6yrs, finally giving the Bronco's forward pack some beef and punch up the middle, coming back from injury blah blah.

Unfortunately, now that he's suspended we'll only have Lodge, TPJ, Offa, Gillo, Glen, Fifita, Sua and Macca on hand to play the Storm.....

With him there it was a gimme, now we'll need a 'Perfect Storm' in order to beat them.

 

[LGH]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/broncos-suspend-payne-haas-for-four-weeks-and-fine-him-20000/news-story/325ec3822f8cb0efd4322120Payeyeyea1c96885

Payne has accepted it and is moving on, maybe we should to.

 

[tommy]

I doubt anyone will admit it, but I can't help but feel a lot of the angst comes from it being Payne Haas.

Everyone wants to see how he goes. We got a tease last year before he got injured. Now we got a tease from some grainy trial footage, and will now have to wait at least 6 weeks to see him play.

Would people be as pissed off if it was Patrick Mago?

I doubt the club would admit it, but there's no way they sit him down for 4 weeks if this comes up on the eve of finals. As someone said earlier, they just want to give themselves a pat on the back.

 

[Sirlee oldman]

Looking on the bright side the timing of this was pretty good for the club. The months long investigation into Haas came to a conclusion at exactly the same time Taueli was sentenced to 2 years in jail. So instead of all the headlines being about a lowlife Bronco going to jail for a coward punch the big story is about how the club is taking a tough stance on one of their stars (who they point out did nothing illegal).
Very convenient.