Haas - Off Field Dramas

[WASSHHH]

I do think you are all being way too harsh on @broncsgoat . He’s representing the honest handshake deals of aussies throughout history.

It feels a bit like bullying to me. He believes in a fair go, honouring family above all else; what else is there?

I understand that contractual law and millions of dollars murkies the water plenty, but please remember, this sport comes from a blue collar family, with blue collar problems and blue collar faults. We need to support these blokes.

Fair points.

I would argue that the NRL is not a blue collar sport anymore though, it is a money making business. We should also remember, Haas is already being paid more than some surgeons who have to study for a decade and quite literally hold peoples lives in their hands.

What are his responsibilities? Catch a ball, run, tackle. Go to training, eat well and do as his club and the NRL tell him. Pretty sweet gig when you compare it to performing open heart surgery in an ER, with far less responsibility too.

That aside, another thing I think is important in all this is responsibility and ownership of your own actions and path.

I remember having a whinge to my dad once about my job. I’ll never forget what he said to me.

“You can either put up with it or go and find a different job.”

He was right.

Same applies here. If you don’t like the scrutiny and responsibility that comes with being a professional athlete, you are more than welcome to forfeit the rather large remuneration that comes with it and trot off somewhere out of the spotlight.

But you can’t have both. With more money comes more responsibility, and so it should too.

I’d even go further to say that it’s this mollycoddling attitude where we feel the need to baby people and find excuses for them when they make mistakes that has landed society in the godawful mess that is the year 2019, where in some parts of this country, juvenile delinquents literally run wild with no fear of consequence or punishment. Indeed, some even stand over their victims and thumb their nose at the law when they try to intervene.

I’m not saying bring back ‘the good old days’ of floggings, backhanders and the strap for not having your shoes polished or your socks up, but as a society we have gone absolutely way too far the other way.

The Broncos have drawn a line in the sand, and I would be willing to bet, some years from now, Haas will reflect on this and not only understand why they did so, but be grateful for it.

There is nothing wrong with learning from your mistakes, everyone makes them.

There is lots wrong with having your mistakes excused because you happen to be good at something.

 

[WASSHHH]

I gotta say, I like what you bring to BHQ. Really good thoughts and I can’t disagree.

Thanks!
Appreciate the respectful dialogue and feedback too.
I enjoy conversations with people like yourself, regardless of whether we agree or not.
Keeps things interesting and engaging.
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[Lebbo73]

Very disappointed in this whether he was involved or close by. We are investing so much into Payne, he is a vital member of our future and to see this is frustrating and disappointing. I'm glad our club has a ton of integrity and I'm really hoping this wakes up every single player in our club.

I totally disagree. There is nothing to suggest that Haas was involved. As long as I’ve been around the unwritten law is that family is family. Haas was totally within his rights to do what he did.

 

[big k]

I doubt Seibold had anything to do with this tbh. He was still the coach of Souths when Inglis got busted DD and they did their best to give him no punishment. This has Paul White's fingerprints all over it.

I dunno. Souths have a track record of light punishments. Look at Auva'a, pleady guilty to bashing his ex and he got a 2k fine and suspended from a couple of trial matches. Seibold may have been told to tow the company line with Inglis and not say anything. Plus didn't the Inglis thing happen when Bennett was taling over and making changes at Souths etc?

 

[Jedhead]

Fair points.

I would argue that the NRL is not a blue collar sport anymore though, it is a money making business. We should also remember, Haas is already being paid more than some surgeons who have to study for a decade and quite literally hold peoples lives in their hands.

What are his responsibilities? Catch a ball, run, tackle. Go to training, eat well and do as his club and the NRL tell him. Pretty sweet gig when you compare it to performing open heart surgery in an ER, with far less responsibility too.

That aside, another thing I think is important in all this is responsibility and ownership of your own actions and path.

I remember having a whinge to my dad once about my job. I’ll never forget what he said to me.

“You can either put up with it or go and find a different job.”

He was right.

Same applies here. If you don’t like the scrutiny and responsibility that comes with being a professional athlete, you are more than welcome to forfeit the rather large remuneration that comes with it and trot off somewhere out of the spotlight.

But you can’t have both. With more money comes more responsibility, and so it should too.

I’d even go further to say that it’s this mollycoddling attitude where we feel the need to baby people and find excuses for them when they make mistakes that has landed society in the godawful mess that is the year 2019, where in some parts of this country, juvenile delinquents literally run wild with no fear of consequence or punishment. Indeed, some even stand over their victims and thumb their nose at the law when they try to intervene.

I’m not saying bring back ‘the good old days’ of floggings, backhanders and the strap for not having your shoes polished or your socks up, but as a society we have gone absolutely way too far the other way.

The Broncos have drawn a line in the sand, and I would be willing to bet, some years from now, Haas will reflect on this and not only understand why they did so, but be grateful for it.

There is nothing wrong with learning from your mistakes, everyone makes them.

There is lots wrong with having your mistakes excused because you happen to be good at something.

I totally agree. Violence is never the answer, no matter what the question. However, kids are so mollycoddled today that respect for adults/teachers/authority has all but vanished. The result is that the people standing on the extreme right (fascism) can now step in under the guise of toughening up society but instead they will take it all the way and we'll end up with even more violence than we had in the 60s and 60s. Neoliberalism and individualism has fractured society's caring attitude. It's a return to caring for others and a genuine community spirit that needs to be nurtured if we want to reverse this rise of fascism under the guise of soft right-wing populism.

 

[broncos4life]

I get what you are saying and I do agree. My issue is that he’s being used as a scapegoat. I hope that the club has explained that to him and that his shoulders are broad enough for that burden. At 19, most of us were the most self-righteous, know it all pricks alive. I don’t expect him to handle it with complete grace, but I sure hope he does. It’ll be the mark of the man within.

How is he a scapegoat? He broke the code of conduct and was punished.

 

[broncos4life]

Selling down the river......How about Haas dickhead siblings ruining the very good thing he has going for him by putting him in such a position in the first place by acting like complete ferals

Yeah this. If his family had his best interests at heart they would be telling him his career is more important than this bullshit and just cooperate. That they will cop whatever because it is their fault not his.

 

[broncos4life]

Fair points.

I would argue that the NRL is not a blue collar sport anymore though, it is a money making business. We should also remember, Haas is already being paid more than some surgeons who have to study for a decade and quite literally hold peoples lives in their hands.

What are his responsibilities? Catch a ball, run, tackle. Go to training, eat well and do as his club and the NRL tell him. Pretty sweet gig when you compare it to performing open heart surgery in an ER, with far less responsibility too.

That aside, another thing I think is important in all this is responsibility and ownership of your own actions and path.

I remember having a whinge to my dad once about my job. I’ll never forget what he said to me.

“You can either put up with it or go and find a different job.”

He was right.

Same applies here. If you don’t like the scrutiny and responsibility that comes with being a professional athlete, you are more than welcome to forfeit the rather large remuneration that comes with it and trot off somewhere out of the spotlight.

But you can’t have both. With more money comes more responsibility, and so it should too.

I’d even go further to say that it’s this mollycoddling attitude where we feel the need to baby people and find excuses for them when they make mistakes that has landed society in the godawful mess that is the year 2019, where in some parts of this country, juvenile delinquents literally run wild with no fear of consequence or punishment. Indeed, some even stand over their victims and thumb their nose at the law when they try to intervene.

I’m not saying bring back ‘the good old days’ of floggings, backhanders and the strap for not having your shoes polished or your socks up, but as a society we have gone absolutely way too far the other way.

The Broncos have drawn a line in the sand, and I would be willing to bet, some years from now, Haas will reflect on this and not only understand why they did so, but be grateful for it.

There is nothing wrong with learning from your mistakes, everyone makes them.

There is lots wrong with having your mistakes excused because you happen to be good at something.

Agree with all of this, especially the part about Haas looking back at this and being grateful for it. The crazy thing is that from all accounts he already has reflected on it and is grateful, it’s a shame others haven’t.

 

[broncos4life]

I doubt Seibold had anything to do with this tbh. He was still the coach of Souths when Inglis got busted DD and they did their best to give him no punishment. This has Paul White's fingerprints all over it.

How much power or sway do you think a Seibold had at that point? Honestly.

 

[tommy]

How much power or sway do you think a Seibold had at that point? Honestly.

Well it happened the day after the GF and Souths were in the prelims. He signed with us a month later so it wouldn't surprise me if Souths thought they had a chance of keeping him. The coach swap wasn't even meant to happen until 2020 so I'd say Seibold still had some pull at thatpoint.

 

[john1420]

Fair points.

I would argue that the NRL is not a blue collar sport anymore though, it is a money making business. We should also remember, Haas is already being paid more than some surgeons who have to study for a decade and quite literally hold peoples lives in their hands.

What are his responsibilities? Catch a ball, run, tackle. Go to training, eat well and do as his club and the NRL tell him. Pretty sweet gig when you compare it to performing open heart surgery in an ER, with far less responsibility too.

That aside, another thing I think is important in all this is responsibility and ownership of your own actions and path.

I remember having a whinge to my dad once about my job. I’ll never forget what he said to me.

“You can either put up with it or go and find a different job.”

He was right.

Same applies here. If you don’t like the scrutiny and responsibility that comes with being a professional athlete, you are more than welcome to forfeit the rather large remuneration that comes with it and trot off somewhere out of the spotlight.

But you can’t have both. With more money comes more responsibility, and so it should too.

I’d even go further to say that it’s this mollycoddling attitude where we feel the need to baby people and find excuses for them when they make mistakes that has landed society in the godawful mess that is the year 2019, where in some parts of this country, juvenile delinquents literally run wild with no fear of consequence or punishment. Indeed, some even stand over their victims and thumb their nose at the law when they try to intervene.

I’m not saying bring back ‘the good old days’ of floggings, backhanders and the strap for not having your shoes polished or your socks up, but as a society we have gone absolutely way too far the other way.

The Broncos have drawn a line in the sand, and I would be willing to bet, some years from now, Haas will reflect on this and not only understand why they did so, but be grateful for it.

There is nothing wrong with learning from your mistakes, everyone makes them.

There is lots wrong with having your mistakes excused because you happen to be good at something.

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[john1420]

I would have been happy with the original 10k fine and 2 match suspension, but I'm not going to argue that point now

Just want to say that the Broncos issuing a strong penalty as opposed to a mere slap on the wrist or hiding it altogether is the reason I love this club

I came to rugby league as a lifelong Aussie Rules fanatic by watching State of Origin for a few years (late 80's early 90's)

Fell in love with the game and needed to find a club to support, and the Bronco's were a natural fit as I "knew" so many of the players from the QLD team, whereas the NSW team had 2 players here, 2 players there

So I tentatively became a Broncos fan, but what led me to be a die hard Bronco fan was seeing and reading about the club's standards

The win at all costs mentality is shallow - helping young boys grow into mature men, being great role models to the community, these are more important than winning

Of course, I'd rather the Broncos be great role models AND win as well ;)

 

[Nashy]

How is he a scapegoat? He broke the code of conduct and was punished.

Given how hard they came down on him, it's probably not a bad description. If it had happened in the 17/18 off-season, he's likely still in trouble, but probably not quite that much.

 

[Gaz]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...t/news-story/8285dad305c10a1c0238d55967885da4

Short-term Payne for long-term gain
FEBRUARY 23, 2019
A Broncos insider said to me this week, “Now we’re being too tough. We can’t win.”
Not sure I agree with that. I reckon the Broncos will win big time over their decision to suspend Payne Haas for four games and fine him $20,000.
Of course the question of just how hard a rugby league club should come down on misbehaving players has been in the spotlight this week with the publicity over the Jack de Belin case.
Some, including me, have argued that the NRL has missed a golden opportunity to draw that much fabled “line in the sand” and stand de Belin down pending the outcome of his upcoming court case.
Others have taken the “innocent until guilty” route, although my uneducated guess would be that they are in the minority.
As for the Haas fallout, I seriously can’t see how anyone could think that the Broncos have done anything less than act in the best interests of the game, the player and the club.
Anyone who puts long-term standards ahead of short-term competition points anyway.
One of the most overused words in the rugby league lexicon these days is “culture”.
Well, if you want to build a culture you are going to have to not only set some pretty high standards, but police them as well.
Which, to my mind, is exactly what the Broncos have done.
Admittedly the facts surrounding the events that led to Haas being suspended and fined remain sketchy, but as best I can make out he was a witness to an incident involving family.
When the incident was reported to the Broncos, as they are required to do, they passed it on to the NRL Integrity Unit to investigate.
At no stage was Haas found to have been physically involved in the incident but the Integrity Unit believed that he was less than forthcoming in his answers to their questions.
Not a hanging offence, you say? Maybe not, but not what the Broncos would expect from one of their most promising and highly paid young players either.
By taking the action they did, they showed the rugby league community that, unlike some clubs, they are prepared to make the tough calls. They also showed all their players that no matter who they are, if they cross the line, they pay the fine.
And who knows, they might just have saved Payne Haas’s career.
You have to wonder how things would have turned out for some of the game’s most wasted talents if they too had been pulled into line early on instead of being treated like black-throat finches — a protected species.

There is also another side to this story that seems to have been largely overlooked, and that is the part played by Anthony Seibold.
Imagine the conundrum faced by this young coach in the weeks before his first game for his new club — a club whose supporters expect more from their team than just about any others in the game.
Should he risk dropping vital early points in order to adhere to his, and the club’s, high standards?
Or should he suggest to CEO Paul White that a fine and suspended suspension would suffice and go into the first four games of the competition with a full complement of players?
After all, no one outside the club would ever know.
It is to his credit that he chose to follow his principles and back White in taking a tough stance.
I have a feeling that Seibold and White will come out as winners through their actions — and not just during that four game stretch without Haas.
The true results will be seen months, weeks, even years down the track.
That’s the way culture grows.

As fans and supporters of this great club at times we need patience.

 

[Thelmus]

As I said before if this punishment of Haas has any merit it must be consistent to a new standard and be maintained. If that happens I will see it as just. If, however it does not transpire as such it will be little more than a bad PR exercise.
I hope for the former and if the Broncos hold true to this, it will be good for the game and the Broncos, regardless of the approach of other clubs. Punishments of the same magnitude MUST be maintained though regardless of whether it top tier team we're facing, a final or even a grand final. Anything less is window dressing.
This must also be true for EVERY other player, from Boyd, Milford down to the under 20's players and assistant coaches. No one can breach this new standard or Haas will have every right to question the ruling. His and others acceptances (and long term benefits, as others have said) rest on this commitment.

 

[Sproj]

The Salmon from Parra has been fined $10 000 and one match for low range drink driving including a car crash.

This news is likely to cause some interest among a few of you.

 

[ivanhungryjak]

The Salmon from Parra has been fined $10 000 and one match for low range drink driving including a car crash.

This news is likely to cause some interest among a few of you.

You missed the harshest penalty though - he has to give a PowerPoint presentation to his teammates on his antics.

 

[Alec]

You missed the harshest penalty though - he has to give a PowerPoint presentation to his teammates on his antics.

Sounds bad, I'd definitely give up $10K + another 3 games so I wouldn't have to do that.