Hoffman

[Kimlo]

But don't forget Big Pete, Hunt would have at least played a good 2 seasons of first grade before cutting Test/Origin.

Yes, thank you for making my point. At a younger age, Hunt had achieved more than Hoffman had by the time he debuted.

[quote:2z88xugq]And I do recall, Hunt was lucky to debut for Australia.
Minichiello was injured last minute, and Bowen was the form fullback.

Bowen screwed himself by being a liability under the high ball and not having the same intensity as Hunt.

Lets see how Hoffman is after 2 seasons of first grade before we compare.

Why? Why can't we compare ages?

I'm not taking anything away from Josh, I just think a bunch of people are being unfair on Hunt. He did a lot for our club, and he shouldn't be forgotten because his replacement has strung some good-great performances together.[/quote:2z88xugq]
Hoffman had Hunt infront of him. Hunt was never going to be dropped so it's unfair to say that Hunt is better because he debuted at an earlier age.

If you have an established star player ahead of you it's going to take much longer to be promoted to first grade.

 

[Big_Dave]

But don't forget Big Pete, Hunt would have at least played a good 2 seasons of first grade before cutting Test/Origin.

Yes, thank you for making my point. At a younger age, Hunt had achieved more than Hoffman had by the time he debuted.

[quote:2xdu6v2c]And I do recall, Hunt was lucky to debut for Australia.
Minichiello was injured last minute, and Bowen was the form fullback.

Bowen screwed himself by being a liability under the high ball and not having the same intensity as Hunt.

[quote:2xdu6v2c]Lets see how Hoffman is after 2 seasons of first grade before we compare.

Why? Why can't we compare ages?

I'm not taking anything away from Josh, I just think a bunch of people are being unfair on Hunt. He did a lot for our club, and he shouldn't be forgotten because his replacement has strung some good-great performances together.[/quote:2xdu6v2c]
Hoffman had Hunt infront of him. Hunt was never going to be dropped so it's unfair to say that Hunt is better because he debuted at an earlier age.

If you have an established star player ahead of you it's going to take much longer to be promoted to first grade.[/quote:2xdu6v2c]

Exactly right, broncospwn.
Ikin was one of the youngest to debut for QLD.
He achieved so much at such a young age!! So he must be good going on Big Pete's thinking.

 

[Anonymous person]

Hunt not spectacular? He's had a lot of criticisms, but one thing you can't say about him is that he wasn't spectacular. He was a great defensive fullback and his ball playing ability made him a great extra cog in the backline. Maybe he didn't make many 80m breaks, but he would have had a mountain of try assists.

Hunt was not and never will be spectacular.

his defense out the back was ATROCIOUS. did you even watch a game in his last 2 seasons? all his defence consisted of was terrible ineffective shoulder charges, and getting run over by the ball carrier. he didnt have ball playing abilities, he just had the ability to complete the one set play that we always ran - and this year about 3-4 other players have been used in that exact same play and turned up the exact same results.

his 'ball playing' skills were really shown to be woeful when chosen at number 6 for QLD.

 

[Big_Dave]

Put it this way.. Broncos has never won a premiership with Hunt playing fullback

Never won a Grand Final yes. That is a ridiculous statement mate, Hunt played most of the 2006 season at fullback and played there in the semi final when we beat the Knights 50-4.

Without Hodges going to fullback, the Broncos was never going to win the premiership.
If Speical K was such a great player, why did Wayne shift Hodges to fullback and Hunt to wing?
It was the turning point of the season.

 

[Jeba]

[quote="Mister Wright":11tnhdk5]Hunt not spectacular? He's had a lot of criticisms, but one thing you can't say about him is that he wasn't spectacular. He was a great defensive fullback and his ball playing ability made him a great extra cog in the backline. Maybe he didn't make many 80m breaks, but he would have had a mountain of try assists.

Hunt was not and never will be spectacular.

his defense out the back was ATROCIOUS. did you even watch a game in his last 2 seasons? all his defence consisted of was terrible ineffective shoulder charges, and getting run over by the ball carrier. he didnt have ball playing abilities, he just had the ability to complete the one set play that we always ran - and this year about 3-4 other players have been used in that exact same play and turned up the exact same results.

his 'ball playing' skills were really shown to be woeful when chosen at number 6 for QLD.[/quote:11tnhdk5]

Oh fair dinkum. You are making it out as if Hunt was completely useless which is obviously far from the truth.

Since you don't know much about football, let me highlight the things that made Hunt a very good fullback.

1) His ball playing skills. He knew exactly where to be and what to do when we put on our set moves. And if you look at our attack his year you will have seen that our pet set play, the second man play, isn't is prominent in our game plan anymore, highlighted by the fact Winterstein has only scored one try. And your example of him being ordinary when chosen at 5/8th for QLD is probably the worst example in the history of examples. He was a fullback, playing out of position, in the top level of the game, in a side with a badly beaten forward pack. Of course he was going to struggle. Thurston had a shocker that night as well.

2) His talk from the back. Honestly sometimes you'd be sitting in the stands amongst a crowd of 50000 people and you'd be able to hear him loud and clear. If you're in the defensive line, you want your fullback to talk to you and tell you where you need to be. Darren Lockyer was great at it when he played fullback as well.

3) His kick returns. Criticise them all you like, but he never took any risks and always did his best to put us in a good position for the forwards to get us into the opposition half.

4) His toughness. Not many fullbacks in the game are as tough as Hunt was. Not only his prop forward like kick returns, but also his willingness to help out by taking hit-ups.

 

[m1c]

WB didn't shift Hunt. He missed about 2 months with a hamstring injury so Hodges filled in for him and killed it. Why change a winning formula.

 

[Big_Dave]

WB didn't shift Hunt. He missed about 2 months with a hamstring injury so Hodges filled in for him and killed it. Why change a winning formula.

Grand final qualifier against the Bulldogs. Hunt started at fullback.
The Broncos were down 20 - 6 at half time.
Hodges shifts to fullback, Hunt to the wing, and the rest is history.
Hunt was a good player, but to say he's a rare talent is taking it too far.

 

[Anonymous person]

Oh fair dinkum. You are making it out as if Hunt was completely useless which is obviously far from the truth.

Since you don't know much about football, let me highlight the things that made Hunt a very good fullback.

1) His ball playing skills. He knew exactly where to be and what to do when we put on our set moves. And if you look at our attack his year you will have seen that our pet set play, the second man play, isn't is prominent in our game plan anymore, highlighted by the fact Winterstein has only scored one try. And your example of him being ordinary when chosen at 5/8th for QLD is probably the worst example in the history of examples. He was a fullback, playing out of position, in the top level of the game, in a side with a badly beaten forward pack. Of course he was going to struggle. Thurston had a shocker that night as well.

2) His talk from the back. Honestly sometimes you'd be sitting in the stands amongst a crowd of 50000 people and you'd be able to hear him loud and clear. If you're in the defensive line, you want your fullback to talk to you and tell you where you need to be. Darren Lockyer was great at it when he played fullback as well.

3) His kick returns. Criticise them all you like, but he never took any risks and always did his best to put us in a good position for the forwards to get us into the opposition half.

4) His toughness. Not many fullbacks in the game are as tough as Hunt was. Not only his prop forward like kick returns, but also his willingness to help out by taking hit-ups.

oh goody, jeb busting out the 'you dont know football' insult again [icon_lol1. . whoever wouldve guessed he'd pull that out?

all of what you just wrote is irrelevant. why? because we're not talking about Hunt being a good fullback or not - we're talking about him being 'spectacular'. he could run a set play well, he was fantastic under the high ball, and his support play was good. he never made line breaks himself, he never set up plays, and he was pretty terrible in one-on-one defence. he was not spectacular.

and on point 3, i will criticise his kick returns. they were stupid. running head on into the chasers IS taking a risk, because youre going to get smashed - and he DID get smashed from kick returns a LOT. not taking any risks would be getting the ball, getting to the defence on an angle, and surrendering in the tackle while protecting the ball.

like i said, we're not saying hes not a good fullback. we're saying he was not a spectacular player.

 

[Jeba]

Fair enough. Sorry for my misunderstanding there. I still have to argue, however.

It looks like your definition of a 'spectacular' player is your Benji Marshall, Billy Slater or Jarryd Hayne. While that is all well and good, it all depends on your definition.

To me, a spectacular player is one which always keeps himself involved and always gives 100%. The ones who always want to have their hands on the ball and help out their forwards (if they don't play in the forwards). So yes I would think Karmichael Hunt was a spectacular player. In the same way that Cameron Smith, Steve Price and Petero Civoniceva are.

and on point 3, i will criticise his kick returns. they were stupid. running head on into the chasers IS taking a risk, because youre going to get smashed - and he DID get smashed from kick returns a LOT. not taking any risks would be getting the ball, getting to the defence on an angle, and surrendering in the tackle while protecting the ball.

Seriously, harden the **** up this is a contact sport for ****'s sake.

 

[Anonymous person]

Seriously, harden the **** up this is a contact sport for ****'s sake.

one of the stupidest things ive ever heard anyone say on here lol. thats like telling a UFC fighter to not bother protecting his face from punches 'because its a contact sport' [icon_lol1. .

 

[Jeba]

Seriously, harden the **** up this is a contact sport for ****'s sake.

one of the stupidest things ive ever heard anyone say on here lol. thats like telling a UFC fighter to not bother protecting his face from punches 'because its a contact sport' [icon_lol1. .

No, seriously. The game is for tough players, and a lot of times it's about putting your body on the line. Hunt never got injured from a kick return as far as I can remember, and often made 10 or so metres more than he would've made had he returned the ball with caution. I stand by what I said, you need to harden the **** up.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Josh Hoffman..........

 

[Coxy]

Yeah. How is it that any fullback-related thread turns into a Hunt loving/bashing thread?

 

[Donny]

WB didn't shift Hunt. He missed about 2 months with a hamstring injury so Hodges filled in for him and killed it. Why change a winning formula.

Grand final qualifier against the Bulldogs. Hunt started at fullback.
The Broncos were down 20 - 6 at half time.
Hodges shifts to fullback, Hunt to the wing, and the rest is history.
Hunt was a good player, but to say he's a rare talent is taking it too far.

Man that was by far the best half of Footy i have seen the Broncos play!!!!!! Hodges break early in the second half was outstanding and Berrigans try was incredibly!!!!!

Man Lockyer was awsome aswell. By far the best come back i have ever witnesses!!!!

I cant stop thinking about that half of footy now icon_smile

 

[Renegade]

hoffman's good. I never thought a lot of him in previous seasons but he's getting better and better, happy to have humble pie.

Looks like the confidence issues may be a thing of the past as well..never understood that as he is dell's cousin..

 

[Anonymous person]

No, seriously. The game is for tough players, and a lot of times it's about putting your body on the line. Hunt never got injured from a kick return as far as I can remember, and often made 10 or so metres more than he would've made had he returned the ball with caution. I stand by what I said, you need to harden the **** up.

seriously, what you said is incredibly stupid. telling me that i need to harden up because i dont see 1 guy just running directly at 3-4-5 defenders as a good move? i think youll find its not 'soft' or anything, its just smart. to be honest im not surprised that you think its a great idea. i mean, you did call me a pussy for not meeting you at a pub on new years eve despite the fact that you messaged someone else and just THOUGHT it was my number, so hey, youre just full of smart arent you? [icon_wink

theres a difference between tough and stupid. like i said, what youre saying is basically akin to telling Randy Couture to 'harden the **** up' because he uses his hands to block punches/kicks that are going for his face. sure, he COULD just let them hit him in the face, and some people would go 'ooh look how tough he is'......but its not smart, and its not the best thing to do.

 

[Jeba]

No it's not incredibly stupid at all. Your argument is that he shouldn't run full pelt into a tackler because he gets smashed. Well even when he does get smashed he can take the hit, and his teammates will have been grateful that he has put his body on the line for an extra 10 or 20 metres. He is tough enough to put up with any pain that might result from his kick return. He never got injured from it as far as I can remember and can't remember him actually losing the ball from it either. So he COULD have just been cautious and risk his team attacking from deep within their own half because he is too concerned about his own body. But instead decided to put his body on the line for his team.

Like I said, and stand by, and will continue to stand by, harden the **** up.

 

[Anonymous person]

lol

righto jeb, righto. head high tackles shouldnt be illegal, players should just harden the **** up.