NEWS Milestone man Macca eyes life at Red Hill

Jason Simmons

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Our unwillingness to recruit a permanent full time backup Dummy Half or even a genuine Utility for all those years was utterly perplexing to say the least.
We did. Jake Granville, Matt Parcell, Travis Waddell, Jake Turpin and now Segeyaro.

As far back as I care to look, we’ve always had a back up hooker...
 

Mustafur

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Given Seibolds prefference for two Dummy Halves in a Game, we should be in good standing to sign Turpin but I have no idea how much cap we are at, and if We do sign Turpin I think the length of the deal if we do sign him will give us an idea of where we are at, surely he will be given every chance to be the long Term 9 with at worst a bench hooker role to start with going by the deal.

This Will be a massive failure if we let this one go though, any money says Roosters or the like would be the ones to get him if he did leave, I very much see him as the next Qld number 9 long term.
 

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Firstly, good achievement by Andrew on reaching 250 games. Good for him.

Now to the fellow forum members, I reckon we don’t have to worry about Andrew taking up 1 year option in his favor for next year because it’s the Dogs we’re playing this week & they’ve Napa in the team. For some reason, he likes Andrew so very much that he gives his best to Andrew every time he plays. Let’s hope the trend continues and Andrew medically retires from the game ( not that I want something bad must happen to Andrew). Problem solved!!!
 

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Firstly, good achievement by Andrew on reaching 250 games. Good for him.

Now to the fellow forum members, I reckon we don’t have to worry about Andrew taking up 1 year option in his favor for next year because it’s the Dogs we’re playing this week & they’ve Napa in the team. For some reason, he likes Andrew so very much that he gives his best to Andrew every time he plays. Let’s hope the trend continues and Andrew medically retires from the game ( not that I want something bad must happen to Andrew). Problem solved!!!
Napa seems to have been better behaved lately. I know a lot don't watch other teams but the Dogs haven't been as bad, generally speaking as quite a few think. They will be tough as hell to overcome but I think there's a belief building in this team.
 

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I was listening to Seibold talk to Dobbin on Triple M about McC, and from what he was saying I wouldn't be too confident about him being flicked. Seibs seems to like him. I shook my head while driving.
How often do you see an injured player sitting in the coaches box every single week they are injured? Macca must do a lot of sucking up and is probably an expert at PR the way everyone seems to love him.
 

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When Bennett’s agenda is now with Souths you can’t take anything that comes out of his mouth in regards to our player recruitment and retention with any credibility.

It must be fun taking pot shots at your former club about releasing Nikorima and about our hooker problems when you have Adam Reynolds as your 7 and Damien Cook as your 9. How convenient!
I believe he commented on Granville while he was still here.
 

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Except he went to Manly from us...
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If Griffin wanted him, he would have been in top 25 at the Broncs at that time, would he not?
1910 may tell you what he told us back in the day about him.

He might be really vague too. Hope he tells you though.
 

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Surely D.lockyer would've had a say . Of course but it's his contract length that's the issue, and that's all board you'd have to say.
I don't think you would have to say that at all. How's a coach meant to manage a team if he has no control over contract length?
 

Huge

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I don't think you would have to say that at all. How's a coach meant to manage a team if he has no control over contract length?
What has the contract length got to do with it? After all, a coaches job is to instruct, to guide with a view to firstly be competitive and secondly to win the comp he's in. A contract is in the overwhelming majority of cases at least a year long or if during the season, it will be to the season's conclusion. Sure a coach might want to make a plan for three or four years but every single coach knows he could be out on his arse after one season or less.

Why would his imput be required as to the length of a contract? It wouldn't be, it's the boards appointee or representative whose job it is to organize the contract and the board's responsibility to sign off on any decision.

A coach can say, I want player X but it's bullshit to think he has the real say on the price paid or the contracts length.
 

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A coach can say, I want player X but it's bullshit to think he has the real say on the price paid or the contracts length.
not at all ... no coach plans for them not being around anymore. They plan for future seasons with them being in charge of the team ... especially Wayne Bennett, who before last year, would never even contemplate the slightest possibility that he would leave the club on anything other than his own terms.

the coach may not make the final decisions on contract value, but they would have a big input on what they believe the player is worth. how important said player is to the coaches plans would also be given serious consideration when negotiating a contract. obviously the club's management have to work all that into the clubs salary cap position.

but the point is, a coach, especially someone like Wayne Bennett, would have a massive say on contract length (in particular) and price.
 

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What has the contract length got to do with it? After all, a coaches job is to instruct, to guide with a view to firstly be competitive and secondly to win the comp he's in. A contract is in the overwhelming majority of cases at least a year long or if during the season, it will be to the season's conclusion. Sure a coach might want to make a plan for three or four years but every single coach knows he could be out on his arse after one season or less.

Why would his imput be required as to the length of a contract? It wouldn't be, it's the boards appointee or representative whose job it is to organize the contract and the board's responsibility to sign off on any decision.

A coach can say, I want player X but it's bullshit to think he has the real say on the price paid or the contracts length.
It’s all relative to the clubs succession plan. A plan every club should have. Clearly we didn’t, therefore we are rebuilding.
 

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Why would his imput be required as to the length of a contract?
Sure a coach might want to make a plan for three or four years
There you go, you answered your own question.

A coach can say, I want player X but it's bullshit to think he has the real say on the price paid or the contracts length.
You repeat this every time Huge, despite there being video of Seibold saying that part of a head coach's role is managing the salary cap (when being asked about the difference between assistant and head coaching roles). What is your evidence for the contrary? Wayne's agent saying that he didn't have that much to do with Boyd's last contract?
 

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To think Wayne had nothing to do with contract length or worth is just stupidity. I am of the belief he had a lot to do with it and is one of the reasons he ended up on the outer.

If its true that our cap was out of wack for the players we have at the club its unacceptable. How these older players have ended up with contracts in their favour is a disgrace. They all should be on in the clubs favour if anything. They can essentially not play well and just reward themselves with another year. What a joke.
 

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Wasn't that what Petero's falling out with Bennett was all about? He reneged on a promise of bigger contract? Correct me if I'm wrong.
This was more about Cullen from memory. Not sure how much influence WB had at the time, although he always claimed he didn't like to pay too much for forwards...
 
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Wasn't that what Petero's falling out with Bennett was all about? He reneged on a promise of bigger contract? Correct me if I'm wrong.
from memory wayno told him to reject a massive offer from NQ in the early 2000's, promising him a bigger paycheque on his next contract.

the rest is history.
 

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not at all ... no coach plans for them not being around anymore. They plan for future seasons with them being in charge of the team ... especially Wayne Bennett, who before last year, would never even contemplate the slightest possibility that he would leave the club on anything other than his own terms.

the coach may not make the final decisions on contract value, but they would have a big input on what they believe the player is worth. how important said player is to the coaches plans would also be given serious consideration when negotiating a contract. obviously the club's management have to work all that into the clubs salary cap position.

but the point is, a coach, especially someone like Wayne Bennett, would have a massive say on contract length (in particular) and price.
Bullshit, that's why you have a board and recruitment and retention staff. Obviously the coach has a say but to say he has a say on length and amount is crap. As a coach you plan for season by season, only when you know that your team isn't playing finals you plan ahead.
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To think Wayne had nothing to do with contract length or worth is just stupidity. I am of the belief he had a lot to do with it and is one of the reasons he ended up on the outer.

If its true that our cap was out of wack for the players we have at the club its unacceptable. How these older players have ended up with contracts in their favour is a disgrace. They all should be on in the clubs favour if anything. They can essentially not play well and just reward themselves with another year. What a joke.
Well then that's the clubs fault
 
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Huge

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There you go, you answered your own question.



You repeat this every time Huge, despite there being video of Seibold saying that part of a head coach's role is managing the salary cap (when being asked about the difference between assistant and head coaching roles). What is your evidence for the contrary? Wayne's agent saying that he didn't have that much to do with Boyd's last contract?
I say this because the reality of business life is the realization that administrators administrate. It's the sole reason for their employment and a jealously guarded role. I totally understand the coach has his desires and plans but every coach would love it if he simply could dole out contracts controlling both their length and value. If he had carte blanche to do as he pleased he'd buy talent and be unconcerned with the price. That'd be human nature.

WB and Seibold would have plans for the now and over the next 2-3 years and would state their case but the negotiations and the values would be the administrator's role. You guys believe what you wish but I won't believe the coach, any coach has absolute authority.
 

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1910 may tell you what he told us back in the day about him.

He might be really vague too. Hope he tells you though.
Barrett wasn't too keen on his running and said you pass that's it. Parcell wasn't too happy playing that style and said can I leave and Manly said yep.

He had other NRL offers but took the travel and play in England route
 

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