Next Broncos coach

[1910]

He didn't give Walters a wrap about his coaching ability at all ... just said he would unify the club

How is unifying not a wrap?

 

[Broncs_Fan]

Locky has confirmed coach to be named by mid-October, White WILL have input (WTF) into the process and no recruitment and retention decisions until new coach on board. He sees Kevvie and Green as the leading candidates at this stage. Morris says whoever it is will not be getting anywhere near a 5 year contract.

Locky confident a"couple of tweaks" can solve our troubles. Not sure about that one Locky, you might need to lay off the 'Karl Morris/Paul White Kool Aid' mate.

Lockyer provides timeline on next Brisbane coach

The Broncos are aiming to have a new coach installed by mid-October at the latest with board member Darren Lockyer saying Anthony Seibold’s replacement will need a month to prepare for the start of pre-season.

www.nrl.com

I reckon Locky is way out of his depth. Having to make decisions like this is just not what's he's good at.

 

[rnabokov]

here are Bennett's comments on Walters ... I could be reading this wrong, but it seems like while he is saying Walters is what the club needs right now, he is not giving him a wrap as a coach. (see bolded)


“The big thing for me is that Kevin would unify everybody at the Broncos.

“He was a great player for the club, the fans love him and as a Broncos coach, the Queensland people have to have that confidence in you.

“Right now, the Broncos need to be unified, rather than someone in there being a super coach.

“Kevin is not a divisive person.”

For mine, it means that Walters also should not be set up to fail by having too many expectations laid on him to work miracles given the mess he will inherit, if he gets the job, which he should

 

[Broncapz]

With Green he has been coaching for a few years now so if you are intending to go with him then you would think they allow him to shape the footballing department to how he wants

We've seen how that turns out unfortunately.

 

[BroncsFan]

We've seen how that turns out unfortunately.

The other side of it is a board or administration that interferes with the footballing department... Green being an experienced head coach would have every right to be pissed off if the board was interfering with who he wanted on his footballing staff.

It runs the risk of creating instant tension between the head coach and board if they start trying to hire his assistants... Seibold had just won coach of the year so they would think by hiring him they are getting someone who can look after the football department on his own and they wouldn't need to provide any further input except signing the cheques and getting them to Brisbane (it clearly didn't work out how they expected, but I put a fair amount of that blame on them for how the transition to a new coach and coaching staff took place)

 

[broncsgoat]

Show me where I have said anything like that.

I was quoting your post but referring to others. Guess it didnt come through like that.

 

[rnabokov]

The other side of it is a board or administration that interferes with the footballing department... Green being an experienced head coach would have every right to be pissed off if the board was interfering with who he wanted on his footballing staff.

It runs the risk of creating instant tension between the head coach and board if they start trying to hire his assistants... Seibold had just won coach of the year so they would think by hiring him they are getting someone who can look after the football department on his own and they wouldn't need to provide any further input except signing the cheques and getting them to Brisbane (it clearly didn't work out how they expected, but I put a fair amount of that blame on them for how the transition to a new coach and coaching staff took place)

Two observations here. First, I reckon Green, say at his job interview if not beforehand, will suss out exactly where the club stands on his role in selecting his support staff, separate to list management. I would venture to say that he will say "no thanks" if he feels his role as head coach would be constrained by the club beyond his view of his role as head coach. I actually think Walters would do the same.

The second point here is what exactly is meant by the footballing department. For example, I didn't see any mention in what Lockyer or Morris said of Nolan, our GM of Football. As I understand it, Nolan is "in charge of" the head coach and coaching staff as GM of Football. He is responsible for recruitment and retention, in consultation with the recruitment committee.

So my question then is what is Nolan's role in all this, about our new coach, support staff, the exact formal terms of his relationship to the head coach, and in fact, the whole question of what exactly is our Football Department and where and how everybody in it fits in and works together.

 

[BroncsFan]

As I understand it, Nolan is "in charge of" the head coach and coaching staff as GM of Football. He is responsible for recruitment and retention, in consultation with the recruitment committee.

Just quickly on this part ... Nolan is GM of football operations. I don't know what the specifics are for that role, but to me that says he is generally overseeing the peripheral items of the team, such as recruiting, contracts in general (support staff, etc.), pathways, logistics, etc. But I don't think he is above the coach.

He, or at least his role at the time, wasn't involved in selecting the head coach so it is hard to see him being above the coach. That would be separate to a GM of football, such as Shane Richardson, who was pretty integral in the recruitment of Bennett and was generally more visible than their actual CEO for press conferences, etc. (I didn't even know who their CEO was until Richardson was on his way out)... which suggests that Richardson sits above the football department. I recall Richardson talking about limits on Bennett's involvement in the recruitment process and the selection of support staff (I think Richardson mentioned that the existing support staff from Seibold would be staying??).

Nolan is never visible, and neither was Andrew Gee who was GM of football operations before Nolan... If a GM or head of football were to come in I think Nolan's role still exists, but he would be below the GM of football who would report directly to the CEO/board.

I get a sense that in the broncos current football department the head coach is on par or slightly above Nolan in the current hierarchy

 

[Alec]

I get the feeling whoever comes in between Green and Walters won't be here long term, and probably isn't being looked at as such either. Bring someone in to steady the ship and plug the holes and look to get someone better in a couple of years time (unless these guys really show something special).

 

[rnabokov]

Just quickly on this part ... Nolan is GM of football operations. I don't know what the specifics are for that role, but to me that says he is generally overseeing the peripheral items of the team, such as recruiting, contracts in general (support staff, etc.), pathways, logistics, etc. But I don't think he is above the coach.

He, or at least his role at the time, wasn't involved in selecting the head coach so it is hard to see him being above the coach. That would be separate to a GM of football, such as Shane Richardson, who was pretty integral in the recruitment of Bennett and was generally more visible than their actual CEO for press conferences, etc. (I didn't even know who their CEO was until Richardson was on his way out)... which suggests that Richardson sits above the football department. I recall Richardson talking about limits on Bennett's involvement in the recruitment process and the selection of support staff (I think Richardson mentioned that the existing support staff from Seibold would be staying??).

Nolan is never visible, and neither was Andrew Gee who was GM of football operations before Nolan... If a GM or head of football were to come in I think Nolan's role still exists, but he would be below the GM of football who would report directly to the CEO/board.

I get a sense that in the broncos current football department the head coach is on par or slightly above Nolan in the current hierarchy

Thanks for the clarification. My one observation on what you said above about the "peripheral items of the team" is that, those are to me, not peripheral, but central both to the team, and the football department of the club: "recruiting, contracts in general (support staff, etc.), pathways, logistics, etc." Seems like he has an important role.

Purely out of interest I searched our old threads for one about Peter Nolan. There's one in 2014. Makes interesting reading about what posters on herre thought back then about Nolan, our team and prospects back then, including this post on April 14, 2014:

"While we have to fix a lot up now to stop us sliding into oblivion this year - I have been saying that my bet is Bennett back next year as director of coaching and Kevin Walters as coach or maybe Benny as coach for 2 years and Kevie as understudy and then to take over as coach with Benny going to director of coaching retention and recruitment - Nolan may be the start of putting those in place".

The joys of history (repeating) and hindsight.

(And thanks @Morkel for that wonderful turn of phrase of yours a while back : "Furious googling". Love it)

 

[BroncsFan]

Thanks for the clarification. My one observation on what you said above about the "peripheral items of the team" is that, those are to me, not peripheral, but central both to the team, and the football department of the club: "recruiting, contracts in general (support staff, etc.), pathways, logistics, etc." Seems like he has an important role.

Purely out of interest I searched our old threads for one about Peter Nolan. There's one in 2014. Makes interesting reading about what posters on herre thought back then about Nolan, our team and prospects back then, including this post on April 14, 2014:

"While we have to fix a lot up now to stop us sliding into oblivion this year - I have been saying that my bet is Bennett back next year as director of coaching and Kevin Walters as coach or maybe Benny as coach for 2 years and Kevie as understudy and then to take over as coach with Benny going to director of coaching retention and recruitment - Nolan may be the start of putting those in place".

The joys of history (repeating) and hindsight.

(And thanks @Morkel for that wonderful turn of phrase of yours a while back : "Furious googling". Love it)

I guess I meant peripheral in regards to the active 17-30 man squad

Active squad is the domain of the head coach, with the other logistical and wider items on Nolan to manage in order to ease the load on the coach.

Nolan's role is important, but he should be working in partnership with the head coach for certain aspects. I also wonder who Nolan reports to?

Does he report direct to the CEO with aspects such as pathways, etc. or does he work with the head coach?

 

[The Strapper]

Dogs have appointed Barrett, they were the first of the 5 "coachless" clubs to announce the new coach, 3 year deal announced in July.

Yeah my bad I missed that but I thought he was having second thoughts and the deal was still to be done.
He is the only one who will have a bigger job than the new broncos coach.

 

[1910]

I guess I meant peripheral in regards to the active 17-30 man squad

Active squad is the domain of the head coach, with the other logistical and wider items on Nolan to manage in order to ease the load on the coach.

Nolan's role is important, but he should be working in partnership with the head coach for certain aspects. I also wonder who Nolan reports to?

Does he report direct to the CEO with aspects such as pathways, etc. or does he work with the head coach?

He reports and works with both, Nolan manages the top 30 squad, scouts report to him- like Edwards and then he manages the 30 with the coach. Makes sure the coach has what he needs.

Kevvie has proven he's very good at getting his own team and made good decisions and hard choices. In 2016 he revamped his staff and made five changes and then in 2018 made another four- making the hard call to not have Gillmeister, Hagan anymore and Spencer. Bring in Corvo who remains committed to Kevvie.

 

[BroncsFan]

He reports and works with both, Nolan manages the top 30 squad, scouts report to him- like Edwards and then he manages the 30 with the coach. Makes sure the coach has what he needs.

Kevvie has proven he's very good at getting his own team and made good decisions and hard choices. In 2016 he revamped his staff and made five changes and then in 2018 made another four- making the hard call to not have Gillmeister, Hagan anymore and Spencer. Bring in Corvo who remains committed to Kevvie.

Kevvie potentially bringing Corvo back on its own is enough reason to sign him up as head coach

 

[the_next]

Is there any update on when the CEO position will be finalised?
Locky has said in the last couple of days that they want the new head coach at Red Hill come mid-October.
A half decent organisation would ensure that their new CEO was in place prior to interviewing and appointing the new coach which would lead me to thinking that the CEO role should be finalised shortly.
Is that you, Ikin?

 

[rnabokov]

I guess I meant peripheral in regards to the active 17-30 man squad

Active squad is the domain of the head coach, with the other logistical and wider items on Nolan to manage in order to ease the load on the coach.

Nolan's role is important, but he should be working in partnership with the head coach for certain aspects. I also wonder who Nolan reports to?

Does he report direct to the CEO with aspects such as pathways, etc. or does he work with the head coach?

I did think btw that that was what you meant however, I wanted to say what I did because recruitment and player contracts have been such big issues for us in the recent past, and also, for a position as important as GM of Football Operations, like you said, I want to know exactly how and where it fits into the organisation, especially going forward with our new coach, and relationships and accountabilities. You know, that word, accountabilities, that strange and almost foreign term at the Broncos of late.

 

[Sproj]

A half decent organisation

Well there’s your problem.

 

[Highwayman]

The fact that Kevvie raised one of his sons to NRL level (or was there more than one?) tells me his man management is pretty good. The young player group needs a dad figure to rev them up and bring out their best more than the geeky older brother trying to be cool (Seibold). Also given Walters was attacking coach in 2015 and has competed well in an Origin rebuilding period after the break-up of that legendary spine means he is worth a shot.

I wouldn't expect an instant premiership but would expect the 30+ point drubbings to stop pretty fast. He wants the broncos coaching job, not some other club coaching job. Means he still has pride in the jersey and would not tolerate the phone-in efforts that have become normal.