NRL General Discussion Thread

[Huge]

I wonder what the Titans' reason was, it certainly wasn't money as we all know.

Good common sense?

 

[pagey]

I wish we would sign Izzy. Imagine the saltiness from the rest of the NRL. Its mad they wont register him. If he agree to their terms he shouldnt be prohibited from playing footy.

Sorry but you're happy with what he said but not Haas ?

 

[Huge]

Now you're just assuming things. So because other players don't express their beliefs, he shouldn't be allowed? If other players start sharing religious beliefs, will Israel then be allowed to? How many need to?

This is a fine line allowing the NRL to choose what parts of a religion players are allowed to express. Some could say it's racist against Polynesians, who are a very Christian people.

If sportspeople are held to a higher standard then they either meet the standard or drop out. Religion has no place in sport. ****, religion has no place come to think of it. Besides, it isn't the fact he is religious. It's like genital warts or hemorrhoids, should never be discussed openly. I favour a society wide ban on religion but it wouldn't work. Imagine a world where people did the right thing just because it was the right thing.

 

[Wolfie]

Sorry but you're happy with what he said but not Haas ?

Where did I say I'm happy with what he said? I just don't think the NRL need to exclude him if he is willing to agree to certain conditions about his conduct. Haas is a complete tool. He is proving it again and again. 3 times in 4 years now is fairly ordinary for a bloke of his age. I don't think either behaviour is acceptable tbh.

 

[Wolfie]

But that’s the issue, he won’t agree to the terms and when he did he lied and broke the terms again.

If I had an 11 inch **** and a billion dollars I’d be with Scarlett Johanson, but I don’t and I’m not.

Apparently, he did agree to certain conditions. I'm still not convinced he actually broke any rules in the ARU. I don't agree with his comments one bit, but I can't see how the ARU would have paid him millions if he broke a contract.

 

[BooKhaki]

The fact that people don't want Folau in the game, but aren't actively campaigning for Haas to be sacked and banned after saying he will punch a female police officer, shows how people pick and choose when to be offended to suit themselves.

 

[Allo]

Now you're just assuming things. So because other players don't express their beliefs, he shouldn't be allowed? If other players start sharing religious beliefs, will Israel then be allowed to? How many need to?

This is a fine line allowing the NRL to choose what parts of a religion players are allowed to express. Some could say it's racist against Polynesians, who are a very Christian people.

I did say that it's possible that not every religious person follows the fire-and-brimstone part from the Old Testament.

He can, but he has to face the consequences that society and his employer dictate. If you think that's unfair, well I can't change your mind on that, but it's the reality of the situation.

It's hardly racist, that's such a long bow to draw. As I said, he is obviously allowed to be a publically religious person, but he can also not be a shit person while doing so, because isn't that kind of one of the main points of religion?

 

[john1420]

The fact that people don't want Folau in the game, but aren't actively campaigning for Haas to be sacked and banned after saying he will punch a female police officer, shows how people pick and choose when to be offended to suit themselves.

Since the dawn of time, different people have been offended by different things.
What offends you might not offend me, and vice versa.
This is hardly news, nor is it problematic.

 

[pagey]

Where did I say I'm happy with what he said? I just don't think the NRL need to exclude him if he is willing to agree to certain conditions about his conduct. Haas is a complete tool. He is proving it again and again. 3 times in 4 years now is fairly ordinary for a bloke of his age. I don't think either behaviour is acceptable tbh.

Agreed, and I think they're both tools but one has apologized and is young enough to right his wrongs. I don't have a issue with izzy coming back either, hell I'd be happy if we signed him. The thing that shits me is when people get on their high horse and think that certain people should act a certain way. People are different and people make mistakes, I've made plenty of mistakes in my life but that's made me who I am today.

 

[BooKhaki]

I did say that it's possible that not every religious person follows the fire-and-brimstone part from the Old Testament.

He can, but he has to face the consequences that society and his employer dictate. If you think that's unfair, well I can't change your mind on that, but it's the reality of the situation.

It's hardly racist, that's such a long bow to draw. As I said, he is obviously allowed to be a publically religious person, but he can also not be a shit person while doing so, because isn't that kind of one of the main points of religion?

All he did was quote the bible. So quoting the bible makes you a shit person? Or do you have to dictate what parts of the bible he is allowed to quote?

 

[theshed]

All he did was quote the bible. So quoting the bible makes you a shit person? Or do you have to dictate what parts of the bible he is allowed to quote?

Yes

 

[Foordy]

All he did was quote the bible. So quoting the bible makes you a shit person? Or do you have to dictate what parts of the bible he is allowed to quote?

he broke his word to the Rugby Australia, after taking their money.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with him quoting the bible (unless you tell your employer, you won't to ensure you get your big money contract)

Like it or not, Folau is a high profile figure, with a salary to match. if he wants the perks (and salary) that accompanies his profile, then he also needs to take on the obligations and responsibilities that come with that... in this case, not pissing off the codes sponsors and a good section of the supporter base, greatly risking his employers bottom line (which lets face it, has seen better days as it is)

 

[Wolfie]

he broke his word to the Rugby Australia, after taking their money.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with him quoting the bible (unless you tell your employer, you won't to ensure you get your big money contract)

Like it or not, Folau is a high profile figure, with a salary to match. if he wants the perks (and salary) that accompanies his profile, then he also needs to take on the obligations and responsibilities that come with that... in this case, not pissing off the codes sponsors and a good section of the supporter base, greatly risking his employers bottom line (which lets face it, has seen better days as it is)

He shouldnt have done it, it was in bad taste imo but i'm still yet to see anything where he signed something to stop him expressing his views. He may have said something privately, but i doubt we will ever know.

 

[Allo]

He shouldnt have done it, it was in bad taste imo but i'm still yet to see anything where he signed something to stop him expressing his views. He may have said something privately, but i doubt we will ever know.

There may not be any legality to it, but I feel a fair amount of this comes down to reading the room. Say controversial, by greater society’s standards, things and you will cop some backlash in various forms.

I know we don’t expect a lot from footballers, but I would hope there’s at least some kind of awareness there when it comes to things like this.

 

[BooKhaki]

He shouldnt have done it, it was in bad taste imo but i'm still yet to see anything where he signed something to stop him expressing his views. He may have said something privately, but i doubt we will ever know.

He didn't sign anything, that's why they had to pay him out.

There may not be any legality to it, but I feel a fair amount of this comes down to reading the room. Say controversial, by greater society’s standards, things and you will cop some backlash in various forms.

I know we don’t expect a lot from footballers, but I would hope there’s at least some kind of awareness there when it comes to things like this.

That's the issue. You don't expect much. Bashing your missus or assaulting a bloke in the street is fine, just don't piss off the gays on twitter.

 

[Foordy]

He didn't sign anything, that's why they had to pay him out.

they didn't have to pay him out ... they choose to settle because they didn't have the balls to see it through.

besides, just because he didn't sign anything, doesn't mean he didn't agree to their rules to avoid his million dollar contract getting torn up the first time.

 

[BooKhaki]

they didn't have to pay him out ... they choose to settle because they didn't have the balls to see it through.

besides, just because he didn't sign anything, doesn't mean he didn't agree to their rules to avoid his million dollar contract getting torn up the first time.

You serious? They paid him out because he didn't breach his contract. If he did, it wouldn't have made it to court.

Is a company allowed to stop an employee from expressing religious beliefs?

 

[Foordy]

You serious? They paid him out because he didn't breach his contract. If he did, it wouldn't have made it to court.

Is a company allowed to stop an employee from expressing religious beliefs?

I'm absolutely serious .... Rugby Australia had every right to continue to fight the legal action ... and there is every chance they would have won. Rugby Australia's biggest mistake was believing Folau when he agreed to stop this sort of behaviour, they should have realised he would never honour his word.

and a company can regulate against conduct that hurts it's business, I can tell you for a fact, that if i said what Folau said, my boss would have sacked me in an instant (assuming that it was obvious what company i was representing). and no one would have given me a settlement.