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Having said all that, by and large I do enjoy listening to D.Seibold’s take on NRL matters.. he’s a bit ‘against the grain’ which I like.. his declaration that Sam Walker was destined to play out his career in UK Super League was certainly a case in point 😄
 
I dip in and out, but I enjoy that they keep it brief and as you said they're not afraid to be honest. It's refreshing when some podcasts take 3 hours to explain what they're not saying.

Still, I could only think of this place when Seibs shared his wisdom. Apparently, the Broncos redzone defence is so good because they're constantly leaving the line early. However since they're so well-timed and work together as a unit they're able to trick the officials and get away with it.
 
Big Pete said:
I dip in and out, but I enjoy that they keep it brief and as you said they're not afraid to be honest. It's refreshing when some podcasts take 3 hours to explain what they're not saying.

Still, I could only think of this place when Seibs shared his wisdom. Apparently, the Broncos redzone defence is so good because they're constantly leaving the line early. However since they're so well-timed and work together as a unit they're able to trick the officials and get away with it.
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Interesting about the goal line defence. What do they say about the way every other team do it exactly as he described?
 
Brett Da Man LeMan said:
Interesting about the goal line defence. What do they say about the way every other team do it exactly as he described?
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The implication is that the Broncos are either the best exponents of it, or they're the only team that practices this dark art. Penrith are just a gun defensive team, enough said. Brisbane's defence can't possibly be that good without some sort of explanation.
 
Big Pete said:
The implication is that the Broncos are either the best exponents of it, or they're the only team that practices this dark art. Penrith are just a gun defensive team, enough said. Brisbane's defence can't possibly be that good without some sort of explanation.
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Reynolds and Mam flying up the leaderboard. They aren't not going to catch Luke Keary though. Can't call offside every play.
 
Big Pete said:
The implication is that the Broncos are either the best exponents of it, or they're the only team that practices this dark art. Penrith are just a gun defensive team, enough said. Brisbane's defence can't possibly be that good without some sort of explanation.
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Yeah clearly they haven't been watching Penrith properly for the last three and a half years. They brought in the "proper penalty if it's in your own 40" specifically because teams like Penrith would deliberately give away 6-agains early in the count by being off-side in order to smother them and prevent any momentum. Of course, Penrith didn't stop doing it, the refs just no longer call it because Let The Game Flow.
 
Morkel said:
Yeah clearly they haven't been watching Penrith properly for the last three and a half years. They brought in the "proper penalty if it's in your own 40" specifically because teams like Penrith would deliberately give away 6-agains early in the count by being off-side in order to smother them and prevent any momentum. Of course, Penrith didn't stop doing it, the refs just no longer call it because Let The Game Flow.
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I'd love to see a stat for yardage penalties conceded.

Penrith are basically able to keep their opposition in their own half for the whole game.

There never seems to be a reprieve for the opposition byway of a yardage penalty, so Cleary's kicking and the somehow infinite energy from the defensive line just continue to suffocate the opposition.

Pre-six again era, teams could soak up pressure in yardage sets knowing eventually a penalty would come as part of #GameManagement and give them some sort of opportunity in the attacking end... but Penrith's domination of territory stats every game suggests that reprieve just doesnt come in their games.
 
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I'd love to see a stat for yardage penalties conceded.

Penrith are basically able to keep their opposition in their own half for the whole game.

There never seems to be a reprieve for the opposition byway of a yardage penalty, so Cleary's kicking and the somehow infinite energy from the defensive line just continue to suffocate the opposition.

Pre-six again era, teams could soak up pressure in yardage sets knowing eventually a penalty would come as part of #GameManagement and give them some sort of opportunity in the attacking end... but Penrith's domination of territory stats every game suggests that reprieve just doesnt come in their games.
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And that is also why I don't fear them, or even really rate their apparent dominance on the competition. Looking at stats throughout the year, the opportunities they get (field position, tackles in the opposition 20 etc) are way up there, they win so many games because the opportunities for points get handed to them on a platter, and they just wait for the opposition to fatigue and then score the points. Yes, a lot of it comes down to the work their back 3 do, and Cleary's kicking game, but the work they are allowed to do in the ruck and as a defensive line (off-side, leaving early) is a luxury that they've benefited from since their "dominance" started. Most other teams would look just as potent if given the same opportunities (except the Tigers apparently who have also had a high number of opportunities but can't convert them).

On the opposite side of the spectrum, the Broncos were way down the list on the number of opportunities. But it's almost like our trainers have identified this fact and have built a game plan around attacking from anywhere. The "supports" from Briers is obviously a critical element of this, as it means even in our own end, there is second-guessing from the defence on who will get the ball (and whether they will hold it or pass it), keep the defence spread out and therefore not able to tackle as dominantly. This in turn leads to quicker play-the-balls or retreating defences, which is exactly what Walsh needs in order to dig in and make them panic. As a result, we have scored the second most points of any team this season, despite having a fraction of the statistical opportunities.

Put that together, and the supports we run with should mean that Penrith aren't able to gang-tackle as often or as dominantly as they normally would, which would make any extra efforts (at slowing down etc) far more transparent to the referees, who will often act on how a ruck looks as opposed to whether it's within the rules (which is also what happened against the Storm, their tactics became obvious and the refs reacted accordingly). It also means that, even if we are pinned down our end most of the time, we still have the ability to attack and score points with those limited opportunities.

TLDR, the Panthers are the masters at forcing enough opportunities through fatigue and field position that the points are almost inevitable. But the Broncos can score just as many points with far fewer opportunities, and can attack from anywhere, regardless of position. We're literally the anti-Panthers.
 
Don’t forget to take into consideration the teams were drawn against when you talk about points scored.
We would have easily outscored the riff if we had been able to rack points up against the lower end of the table. However, it seems we will be always destined to be drawn to play all of the top 8 sides twice no matter what.
 
Sproj said:
www.zerotackle.com

NRL set to implement 'backflip' clause regarding player market

The NRL will reportedly implement a 'backflip' clause regarding the player market, which will allow clubs ten days to fight off rival offers for their players.
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Oof - this will not end well. Nice one yet again NRL.
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Is this not similar to the current cooling off period (IIRC 7 or 14 days) for when players sign with a rival club? Except it's more formal and the NRL and incumbent club is officially notified (as opposed to it currently not being allowed to be registered with the NRL until the cooling off period expires).
 
Sproj said:
www.zerotackle.com

NRL set to implement 'backflip' clause regarding player market

The NRL will reportedly implement a 'backflip' clause regarding the player market, which will allow clubs ten days to fight off rival offers for their players.
www.zerotackle.com www.zerotackle.com

Oof - this will not end well. Nice one yet again NRL.
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Can't wait for the double-backflip clause, when the rival club then gets another ten days to match the current club's new offer. And then of course the triple-backflip clause...
 
It's just the 10 day cooling off period being brought back where the deal isn't official until after 10 days and clubs still had a chance of convincing the player to stay and players still had a chance to back out of the deal.

It was scrapped for a bit there but now it's back.

There hasn't really been any problems with it in the past.
 
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