NRL Players and family members in hot water

[Super Freak]

His court date is this Thursday.

I guess we'll know if he will be playing after that.

 

[Unbreakable]

He stood himself down from football, and was unable to attend a court hearing because he was in hospital for mental issues. Does anyone believe that the club had zero involvement or input in that decision?

Who knows mate.. Darius stood himself down from footy activities last year due to mental issues, the club didn't force that upon him, we don't know the situation well enough to comment I don't think.

 

[Morkel]

Who knows mate.. Darius stood himself down from footy activities last year due to mental issues, the club didn't force that upon him, we don't know the situation well enough to comment I don't think.

Darius wasn't also in a situation where his team was a genuine premiership chance and had (allegedly) smacked his misses around, putting his playing chances and that of his club in jeopardy.

 

[Nashy]

So? If nothing happened, if there are no problems, then why did the Roosters send him away to get "treatment"? It's the whole suggestion that if the player has a mental problem then they're somehow absolved of their actions. Treat them for two weeks and everything should be sweet.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Morkel]

Innocent until proven guilty.

Which means he now pleads "not guilty" in court, has the hearing once the season has ended, and will get a slap on the wrist for the start of the new season.

 

[Nashy]

I don't really care. Currently, he's innocent of any wrongs.

 

[Porthoz]

Which means he now pleads "not guilty" in court, has the hearing once the season has ended, and will get a slap on the wrist for the start of the new season.

I feel as strongly as anyone about domestic violence, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
We don't know anything about the circumstances and whether the accusation has any validity, or is just petty revenge for a relationship gone sour.
Maybe we should just stick to facts, let the court decide, and comment on the consequences of that decision...

 

[ivanhungryjak]

I have a real problem with this "Innocent until proven guilty" line that gets run out all the time for these blokes.

The NRL need to take a proactive line in this and find out some facts. The case may be weak or it may be strong, I don't know.

I liken it to a Court deciding bail on somebody for an offence.

Of course the person is innocent until proven guilty but they still have to decide if they go to jail or get out on bail.

The NRL can't just sit there and wait for the outcome of Court because it's just open to abuse. If the police have a strong case, see ya later.

A lot of this stuff could surely be put into standard NRL contracts and if they want to refuse to provide information, they can go play park football.

 

[broncos4life]

Which means he now pleads "not guilty" in court, has the hearing once the season has ended, and will get a slap on the wrist for the start of the new season.

So what do you suggest? Suspend him now on suspicion?

We have no idea whether he is guilty or not but simply having an AVO against you and being charged means nothing, you would be surprised at how easy they are to get and how little to no proof is needed.

Now let me say that I have no time for domestic violence and if he is found guilty I would hope he never plays again (and would think the same if it were a bronco) but anyone can get an AVO against someone and until it gets to court the validity isn't tested.

 

[broncos4life]

I have a real problem with this "Innocent until proven guilty" line that gets run out all the time for these blokes.

The NRL need to take a proactive line in this and find out some facts. The case may be weak or it may be strong, I don't know.

I liken it to a Court deciding bail on somebody for an offence.

Of course the person is innocent until proven guilty but they still have to decide if they go to jail or get out on bail.

The NRL can't just sit there and wait for the outcome of Court because it's just open to abuse. If the police have a strong case, see ya later.

A lot of this stuff could surely be put into standard NRL contracts and if they want to refuse to provide information, they can go play park football.

How do you know he has refused to provide information? How do you know he has done anything?

 

[ivanhungryjak]

How do you know he has refused to provide information? How do you know he has done anything?

I didn't say he refused to provide information, I said the NRL needs to take a more proactive approach.

 

[Big Pete]

They did that last time and an innocent man had his name besmirched in a case that cost him hundreds of thousands.

This is a fairer approach.

 

[abashii]

I see where you're coming from but no, that would be a terrible idea. We'll set aside for the moment all the issues involved with the NRL being given access to confidential, untried evidence being compiled for the case before it is used in court and assume that they have appropriate personnel available to test conflicting claims and make a reasoned decision.

Imagine if the NRL reviewed all the facts and stood the bloke down. Do you think that may be prejudicial and possibly have an impact on his pending court case? What about if he was allowed to keep playing? You don't want to end up in a situation where the judgement of a rugby league authority is taken as a proxy for that of an actual court. Once the facts have been established in an actual court then the league can then act properly in determining what, if any, sanction needs to be applied.

 

[Morkel]

I see where you're coming from but no, that would be a terrible idea. We'll set aside for the moment all the issues involved with the NRL being given access to confidential, untried evidence being compiled for the case before it is used in court and assume that they have appropriate personnel available to test conflicting claims and make a reasoned decision.

Imagine if the NRL reviewed all the facts and stood the bloke down. Do you think that may be prejudicial and possibly have an impact on his pending court case? What about if he was allowed to keep playing? You don't want to end up in a situation where the judgement of a rugby league authority is taken as a proxy for that of an actual court. Once the facts have been established in an actual court then the league can then act properly in determining what, if any, sanction needs to be applied.

I agree. There is no easy answer.

So **** it. I say use a lie detector. It might not be admissible in court because some lawyers argued that 90% accuracy is not 100% accuracy, but I don't give a ****, 90% accurate is going to be more accurate than a player's word who knows their career is on the line. I'm not entirely joking.

 

[Porthoz]

I agree. There is no easy answer.

So **** it. I say use a lie detector. It might not be admissible in court because some lawyers argued that 90% accuracy is not 100% accuracy, but I don't give a ****, 90% accurate is going to be more accurate than a player's word who knows their career is on the line. I'm not entirely joking.

Still clashes with the previous post, as could potentially influence the court.

If justice can wait until a court case is heard, so can the NRL.

 

[Huge]

Presumption of innocence ,nice sentiment and I totally agree it is the way it should be. What stuns me is, the people upholding the principle in this case were not even aware of its existence when the Cronulla players were accused of peptide use. A simple read of the posts back then has those same posters acting as judge and jury , labelling them with all sorts of names without a shred of evidence having been presented.

 

[broncos4life]

Presumption of innocence ,nice sentiment and I totally agree it is the way it should be. What stuns me is, the people upholding the principle in this case were not even aware of its existence when the Cronulla players were accused of peptide use. A simple read of the posts back then has those same posters acting as judge and jury , labelling them with all sorts of names without a shred of evidence having been presented.

No one gives a **** about the Sharks players, why haven't you worked this out yet?

 

[Cult]

SKD has almost been out of the game for as long as the admitted drug cheats and he hasn't even been found guilty yet.