NRL Players and family members in hot water

[Renegade]

They should be awarded the OAM.

 

[Huge]

What part am I wrong about, about me not admitting that I judged them as guilty? Okay, I was wrong, I judged them as guilty based on reports of a police officer who said he had video evidence of them and the fact the involved club already handed out a 12 month ban, strong evidence, but certainly not fact, my bad. Now will you admit you're being self-righteous by implying anyone who is arguing for a longer ban, is an immature, knee jerking, unwise young kid? Can you accept that just because others may have a different view on a punishment, that they're not immature and knee jerking, but simply have a different view of importance of the event and have fair reasons for their argument?

No, the part I wrote about. You know, the plain English words I wrote down so you wouldn't be confused as to what I was referring to. The part where you stated you didn't state anything as fact. That you judged them guilty was evident and not in dispute . I have never thought that someone is not entitled to having a different view on fitting punishment. What I despise is snap judgement without knowing the facts , people who readily believe anything and everything provided it is negative and about someone or something they dislike. A club, a player, a coach etc. I do not think asking for a ban (like a year or two) that one would reserve for a truly serious offence should be considered here.

With regard to knee jerk, reactionary and hysterical demands for the players heads on a pike I say, there is a reason why governing bodies do not rush to decisions. It's so the offence can be considered coolly and without emotion coursing through the system. That's all I ever was asking for posters to think about. Step back, take a breath is the wise thing to do. Personally, abusing the referee is pretty shithouse and sets a poor example and like most would agree ,should be stamped out. Making some boofhead forward accountable and punishable for all the abusers is obviously wrong. Unlike Harrigan ( arrogant prick ) they should not be made an example of. They should be judged on the merit of this single incident. Punishing one for the sins of the multitude is archaic ( no surprise where that thought process has its roots !)

 

[Morkel]

Jesus! Ffs, how can you think I defended them at any stage ?Talk about reading some words and completely misunderstanding them. I'm saying, quite plainly I think that we need to keep things in perspective. I pointed out other offences so we have some sense of scale..try reading the words I wrote and stop turning them completely into something not written.

You pointed out offences that had no relevance to the topic. Bashing a woman is a worse offence than verbally abusing or threatening a ref. In society. But they don't have careers in the game of Don't Bash Women You Prick. They have careers in Rugby League. That is why a heavy sentence should be handed to them in the relevant arena (Rugby league) for {{{allegedly}}} being abusive to officials in that same arena (again, Rugby League). Just as punching a woman would, you know, put them more than slightly off-side with the Don't Bash Women You Prick officials should they want to pursue that particular vocation.

 

[Kimlo]

No, the part I wrote about. You know, the plain English words I wrote down so you wouldn't be confused as to what I was referring to. The part where you stated you didn't state anything as fact. That you judged them guilty was evident and not in dispute . I have never thought that someone is not entitled to having a different view on fitting punishment. What I despise is snap judgement without knowing the facts , people who readily believe anything and everything provided it is negative and about someone or something they dislike. A club, a player, a coach etc. I do not think asking for a ban (like a year or two) that one would reserve for a truly serious offence should be considered here.

With regard to knee jerk, reactionary and hysterical demands for the players heads on a pike I say, there is a reason why governing bodies do not rush to decisions. It's so the offence can be considered coolly and without emotion coursing through the system. That's all I ever was asking for posters to think about. Step back, take a breath is the wise thing to do. Personally, abusing the referee is pretty shithouse and sets a poor example and like most would agree ,should be stamped out. Making some boofhead forward accountable and punishable for all the abusers is obviously wrong. Unlike Harrigan ( arrogant prick ) they should not be made an example of. They should be judged on the merit of this single incident. Punishing one for the sins of the multitude is archaic ( no surprise where that thought process has its roots !)

Okay, I judged them as guilty, and I unreservedly apologize. Are you going to apologize for calling other posters reactions knee jerking, immature, and unwise? Why do you assume only you were capable of considering the offence coolly and without emotion? Do you seriously believe I was in a fit of a rage when I heard the incident and rushed on to type my thoughts as quickly as possible, because I'm just about never emotional about anything, especially rugby league, unless it's the Broncos.

I don't hate Cronulla, where have I bagged them out or held a grudge? The only club I ever regularly bag out is Melbourne for being cheats, that's it. I don't hold agendas, and I certainly don't hate the involved players or have any actual thoughts about them. I'm pretty neutral in that regard, even players I don't like, I'm happy to admit their positives. What players or clubs have you ever seen me hold some consistent agenda about to make you think I can't be neutral?

 

[Huge]

Fair enough, you're entitled to your views and I would fight to uphold that right. What I need you to do though is to stop taking personally a statement made in a general sense. It seems you are not reading what I've written. I never said or wrote or intimated that you didn't like Cronulla, the Fifita brothers. If I meant you didn't like someone or something I'd write your name or address you directly. Are we on the same page with that at least ?

The second thing is pretty simple too. I never addressed any comments to you in the first instance. I wrote that some of the forums posters were calling for a ban of a year. I didn't single out any one person in particular. I made generalised statements saying I hated knee jerk immature, ill considered snap judgements. I didn't say I hated the way you do that ! ( which also is me not saying you do that !)

As far as I can see you've taken as your own what I've written as a general observation. None of my initial statements were directed at you or anyone else in particular. Just as it's written, a collective statement.

If you re- read the posts from my first one you would see that I haven't singled you or anyone out for that matter. It wasn't until later that I responded directly to you. For the last time....that you judged them guilty is IRRELEVANT ! That was not what I responded to you about. I don't want or care about apologies because in your opinion they were guilty, that is your right. I wrote about you denying you had made an accusation as a statement of fact. Nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

Finally, I totally agree with most on here that if the facts indicate that the Fifita's have transgressed then they should be punished. As I've written the punishment should fit this 'crime' not a punishment fitting for all 'crimes' of this type, rolled up in one.

 

[Nashy]

With all that said. I hope he's banned for 12 months, sacked and fined.

 

[Huge]

With all that said. I hope he's banned for 12 months, sacked and fined.

Never going to happen..unless I'm wrong ha ha

 

[Morkel]

If he'd signed the Bulldogs deal you just know that his (potential) suspension would not last past round 26 this year.

 

[broncos4life]

If he'd signed the Bulldogs deal you just know that his (potential) suspension would not last past round 26 this year.

If he signed the Bulldogs deal it would have been the refs fault that this all happened

 

[john1420]

So, on a sliding scale, abusing a ref and some of you are calling for a year ban from the NRL. Fair enough, that's what you think is fair. So , assaulting a woman should be what, five years first offence ? Banned for life ? Give it a rest. Fortunately I know what's going to happen and it will be dealt with by wise and mature grown ups who don't knee jerk every event. Probably a few games suspension and a heavy fine. That's of course if it is proven. Idiots like Harrigan get asked their opinion and people with selective memories think he was a great ref. When he was a ref and bowed to media pressure. Total knob .

Quite simply, yes

 

[Broncoman]

It's very dissapointing to hear about the Fifita twins actions especially since it was at a junior game. This happens so much it's ridiculous. People need to remember kids play organised sports for their own fun and not for the entertainment of others. I've been to my younger cousins and sisters sport back in the day and there was usually always at least one person that had to take it to far.

The twins should be punished like a normal person would.

 

[Super Freak]

Fifita is expected to be banned for 8 games.

He has been told to front the Sharks board on Thursday and if the Sharks don't suspend him, apparently the NRL will step in and do it themselves.

 

[Morkel]

SKD to return apparently.

I hate this bullshit trend of "oh he's got some mental problems, we'll check him in to a facility" and he's expected to be allowed to play. It's a fucking cop-out. Of course he has mental problems - anyone who gets pushed to the point of physically harming someone they love has mental problems. But guess what, there are heaps of people out there who also have mental problems who don't go beating up on women. Two fucking weeks in a clinic won't solve shit, it's a cheap way of pacifying the masses.

 

[Big Pete]

He hasn't had his day in court yet Morkel.

 

[Morkel]

He hasn't had his day in court yet Morkel.

So? If nothing happened, if there are no problems, then why did the Roosters send him away to get "treatment"? It's the whole suggestion that if the player has a mental problem then they're somehow absolved of their actions. Treat them for two weeks and everything should be sweet.

 

[Unbreakable]

So? If nothing happened, if there are no problems, then why did the Roosters send him away to get "treatment"? It's the whole suggestion that if the player has a mental problem then they're somehow absolved of their actions. Treat them for two weeks and everything should be sweet.

The Roosters were saying they didn't send him anywhere, he stood himself down from Football activities until he felt mentally right to play, which evidently is next weekend.

 

[Morkel]

The Roosters were saying they didn't send him anywhere, he stood himself down from Football activities until he felt mentally right to play, which evidently is next weekend.

He stood himself down from football, and was unable to attend a court hearing because he was in hospital for mental issues. Does anyone believe that the club had zero involvement or input in that decision?

 

[Big Pete]

So? If nothing happened, if there are no problems, then why did the Roosters send him away to get "treatment"? It's the whole suggestion that if the player has a mental problem then they're somehow absolved of their actions. Treat them for two weeks and everything should be sweet.

Who knows? Maybe he's been through the relationship from hell and been accused of something he hasn't done and it's gotten to him? But that's for my point, nobody knows the situation just yet, so you can't jump to conclusions.

Yes, Rugby League and other professionals for that matter, playing the mental health problems card way too often, but in the case of SKD, if he's found guilty of committing DV, then he'll face the consequences. He hasn't been absolved of anything just yet. All that's happened is that he's been afforded the same opportunities as the Gold Coast Titans.