Official - Broncos sign Darius Boyd

[Mr Fourex]

Re: [Rumour] - Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

Peter Wallace cost us juniors ......

it's worth remembering.

 

[Ari Gold]

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Peter Wallace cost us juniors ......

it's worth remembering.

Please... there is not a SINGLE aspect of Wallace being a Bronco that should be remembered. At all.

I had not even thought about the fact that he was once a Bronco for like 3 months until you had to bring it up. Damn you!

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: [Rumour] - Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

I can definitely see him offering more than Barba did this year, though to be honest, even Maranta would probably offer more than that. I don't really see him as a long term option at fullback though, though I dunno what Bennett's plans are. Hopefully either Taylor/Nikorima/whoever progress quickly and force him onto the wing eventually (before they are signed by someone else), where he's definitely very good.

^^^This is how I remain optimistic about the Wayne and Darius "thing"

I'm not sure how Taylor is going to force him onto the wing though. He'll be vying for one of the halves spots and

Milford and Hunt will be tearing it up by then.

 

[Mr Fourex]

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Please... there is not a SINGLE aspect of Wallace being a Bronco that should be remembered. At all.

I had not even thought about the fact that he was once a Bronco for like 3 months until you had to bring it up. Damn you!

If one doesn't remember mistakes...then one can not progress.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: [Rumour] - Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

This isn't about Boyd's value as a player, but about the fact that he is under Wayne's protection, and as such, there is no objectivity from either of them.
As Barba probably did, as a youngster coming through, I would look at that and think... there's no way I'm coming in between those two, no matter how well I play, so I'm probably better off looking elsewhere for a gig.

So who was forcing Boyd out of the fullback spot at the Knoughts or the Merge?

Is there evdience of WB selecting Boyd in his team over a better player?

 

[Huge]

Re: [Rumour] - Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

All you are doing is talking dollars. Yes, players want money, more so now than ever before. But they also want opportunities. If your preference is to play experienced players like Boyd over chancing the careers of unproven talent, that's your choice, but to spout that "We have more than enough money to retain any juniors we wish to keep and who wish to stay and play for the Broncos" and therefore Boyd won't cost us juniors is just bullshit. Most players are not Ben Hunt, willing to be royally fucked over just to play for the Broncos.

Obviously I am very pro Taylor/Jikorima. You may not be, or think that because they are rookies they aren't worth putting the level of faith in that I am. That's a perfectly legitimate preference. But don't make out that this development hasn't impacted their pathway to a Broncos side.

The purchase of ONE player on AVERAGE money cost us juniors....give me a break lol. Surely the departure of TWO players on average wages ( Hoffman and Barba ) who play the same positions more than offsets this tragic signing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Fair dinkum you must be joking ,your capacity to see things logically is seriously compromised by your dislike!

 

[Ari Gold]

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The purchase of ONE player on AVERAGE money cost us juniors....give me a break lol. Surely the departure of TWO players on average wages ( Hoffman and Barba ) who play the same positions more than offsets this tragic signing. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Fair dinkum you must be joking ,your capacity to see things logically is seriously compromised by your dislike!

I never said money cost us juniors, I said opportunity will. If you had the ability to read or comprehend, you would have understood that to be my point. However, as you clearly cannot do these things, I will do my best for you to make MY point.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE SALARY OF BOYD IS GOING TO COST US JUNIORS.



I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JUNIORS WILL LEAVE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET THE MONEY THEY WANT.



I BELIEVE THEY MAY END UP LEAVING BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY DESIRE AS A RESULT OF BOYD'S ARRIVAL, WHICH IN TURN HAS ENSURED ALL SPINE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN FILLED.

 

[Kimlo]

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To be fair though, Ari, if Barba was here he was either in the spine or nowhere, or costing us 900k to play reserves where we couldn't match competing offers if another team tried to sign one of the them, at least Boyd is definitely capable playing anywhere in the back line, so it may even make it more likely a junior gets a spot at some point, and by losing Hoffman as well, that's 2 spine players who have left for one to come, so in theory they've probably moved up the pecking order.

 

[Kimlo]

Re: [Rumour] Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

Bennett made a huge call to put KHunt in first grade at 17, so obviously he had a huge opinion of him but in 2006, when he saw the team needed something different he pushed him to the wing for another option, so if history is anything to go by, he is willing to move players out of their preferred positions.

 

[Ari Gold]

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To be fair though, Ari, if Barba was here he was either in the spine or nowhere, or costing us 900k to play reserves where we couldn't match competing offers if another team tried to sign one of the them, at least Boyd is definitely capable playing anywhere in the back line, so it may even make it more likely a junior gets a spot at some point, and by losing Hoffman as well, that's 2 spine players who have left for one to come, so in theory they've probably moved up the pecking order.

In theory, yes, Boyd could be moved. I just don't see it happening. Delighted to be wrong though.

As for Hoffman leaving, I actually think it's worse. I mean, what's easier to see happening? A young player forcing Boyd out of the team, or a young player forcing Hoffman out of the team. One is much more likely than the other. The juniors may be higher up the pecking order, but now at the top of that order there is an immovable force.

As for the Barba salary, 900k was definitely a huge amount, and I said in the Barba thread that I'm glad to be rid of him if true.

I really don't want to argue again why I prefer the juniors option, I've already had my say on that, and like I said earlier, it's perfectly fine to have people disagree on that, as a lot of people I'm sure do.

What I will argue against though is when people come on here and argue so much in favour of WB that they actually believe there is no potential negatives to Boyd arriving.

As for your Khunt point, my belief isn't that WB won't move players, it's just that he won't move Boyd. Like I said though, happy to be proven wrong.

In fact, I want to be proven wrong. If I'm right, we all lose.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: [Rumour] - Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

How did this $900K become fact so quickly?
Never heard of before, but suddenly taken as fact after appearing in a speculative media article.

I guess it certainly makes it easier to justify WB's decision...

 

[theshed]

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The most annoying thing about this repetitive debate is that very few (if any) members are saying that there are zero risks or negatives associated with signing Boyd. Of course there is but it's not the end of the world like a lot of the anti-Boyd crew are making out.

I'm not a fan of Boyd but I can at least see the logic and positives behind his signing.

I keep opening this thread to read updates but of course all I see is pages and pages of the same boring old bullshit. Yes all your points are valid to some extent or another but fucking get over it. I wouldn't have even expected this much of a blow up if we had ditched Lockyer and signed Ben Roberts.

 

[Kimlo]

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How did this $900K become fact so quickly?
Never heard of before, but suddenly taken as fact after appearing in a speculative media article.

I guess it certainly makes it easier to justify WB's decision...

You seemed pretty happy to take Tomkin's value at media reports, and used it heavily last pre-season to argue his worth as a player, I'm just following your lead. :thefinger:

I know Barba isn't earning that much next season, but it's not hard to believe he would've been earning that in his 3rd year, he was hugely sought after last year, so a 3 year year sweeter to get him over the line isn't unimaginable.

I'm not trying to justify WB's decision, I'm happy to admit when he messes up and Boyd coming isn't all roses, but IMHO, it beats the alternative of keeping Barba who I definitely think would've been on a much higher salary after next season. Whether you think I'm using that to justify WB's decision is your view I guess. I'm just calling what I see, the same way you are.

 

[Huge]

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I never said money cost us juniors, I said opportunity will. If you had the ability to read or comprehend, you would have understood that to be my point. However, as you clearly cannot do these things, I will do my best for you to make MY point.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE SALARY OF BOYD IS GOING TO COST US JUNIORS.



I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JUNIORS WILL LEAVE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET THE MONEY THEY WANT.



I BELIEVE THEY MAY END UP LEAVING BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY DESIRE AS A RESULT OF BOYD'S ARRIVAL, WHICH IN TURN HAS ENSURED ALL SPINE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN FILLED.

Look,I do understand but truthfully now, can you not make the same argument for the signing of Milford ? Equally,his signing would be denying an aspirant his chance. This thing happens all the time. If Bennett managed to sign say, JWH wouldn't he be taking the place of an up and coming frontrower? Every single coach who purchases an established player in order to ensure he has that position covered ,in reality may stymie the advancement of a junior who covets that position. This is how it has been and I suspect will be. If they don't hang around and move on they will be no different to many who preceded them. Bennett came back to win a premiership, this is the primary mission and he feels he needs solidarity at the rear,wrongly or rightly. The buck stops with him and his decisions are open to scrutiny and criticism, he didn't come back to develop a squad for 2017/18. I suspect he has an eye on the present and the future . It won't surprise me if the two you mention develop their games in the ISC while they wait their turn.

 

[Ari Gold]

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Look,I do understand but truthfully now, can you not make the same argument for the signing of Milford ? Equally,his signing would be denying an aspirant his chance. This thing happens all the time. If Bennett managed to sign say, JWH wouldn't he be taking the place of an up and coming frontrower? Every single coach who purchases an established player in order to ensure he has that position covered ,in reality may stymie the advancement of a junior who covets that position. This is how it has been and I suspect will be. If they don't hang around and move on they will be no different to many who preceded them. Bennett came back to win a premiership, this is the primary mission and he feels he needs solidarity at the rear,wrongly or rightly. The buck stops with him and his decisions are open to scrutiny and criticism, he didn't come back to develop a squad for 2017/18. I suspect he has an eye on the present and the future . It won't surprise me if the two you mention develop their games in the ISC while they wait their turn.

You could absolutely make the same argument for Milford, and indeed for any other player. Obviously I think the two players I mentioned are special, but we don't need to re-visit old territory.

 

[Porthoz]

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You seemed pretty happy to take Tomkin's value at media reports, and used it heavily last pre-season to argue his worth as a player, I'm just following your lead. :thefinger:

I know Barba isn't earning that much next season, but it's not hard to believe he would've been earning that in his 3rd year, he was hugely sought after last year, so a 3 year year sweeter to get him over the line isn't unimaginable.

I'm not trying to justify WB's decision, I'm happy to admit when he messes up and Boyd coming isn't all roses, but IMHO, it beats the alternative of keeping Barba who I definitely think would've been on a much higher salary after next season. Whether you think I'm using that to justify WB's decision is your view I guess. I'm just calling what I see, the same way you are.

I asked whether people thought Tomkins was worth the reported value, which was by the way asked by his British club. Not entirely the same thing, is it? Besides, the salaries aren't Defcon 1 classified in England... :wink:
Having said that, I already said it wouldn't surprise me if he was on a back-ended deal, and earned that kind of coin in 2016.

Until then, Barba had a make or break year to justify that kind of salary, while Taylor and JNikorima had another year to mature, and Boyd would be a free agent in 2016 anyway if push came to shove.

What was the rush to bring in a solid, but far from brilliant player to the club, other that his personal relationship?
It's a conflict of interest and Boyd's future performance won't change any of that.

Look,I do understand but truthfully now, can you not make the same argument for the signing of Milford ? Equally,his signing would be denying an aspirant his chance. This thing happens all the time. If Bennett managed to sign say, JWH wouldn't he be taking the place of an up and coming frontrower? Every single coach who purchases an established player in order to ensure he has that position covered ,in reality may stymie the advancement of a junior who covets that position. This is how it has been and I suspect will be. If they don't hang around and move on they will be no different to many who preceded them. Bennett came back to win a premiership, this is the primary mission and he feels he needs solidarity at the rear,wrongly or rightly. The buck stops with him and his decisions are open to scrutiny and criticism, he didn't come back to develop a squad for 2017/18. I suspect he has an eye on the present and the future . It won't surprise me if the two you mention develop their games in the ISC while they wait their turn.

Losing a promising player to Milford is a totally different thing to losing him to Boyd. Please tell me you didn't compare both players! :shocked:

 

[Sproj]

Re: [Rumour] - Broncos to sign Darius Boyd

[MENTION=1992]Huge[/MENTION], you must be aware Darius Bennett will be a protected species, to a zenithly higher level than any other player right?

 

[Huge]

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I asked whether people thought Tomkins was worth the reported value, which was by the way asked by his British club. Not entirely the same thing, is it? Besides, the salaries aren't Defcon 1 classified in England... :wink:
Having said that, I already said it wouldn't surprise me if he was on a back-ended deal, and earned that kind of coin in 2016.

Until then, Barba had a make or break year to justify that kind of salary, while Taylor and JNikorima had another year to mature, and Boyd would be a free agent in 2016 anyway if push came to shove.

What was the rush to bring in a solid, but far from brilliant player to the club, other that his personal relationship?
It's a conflict of interest and Boyd's future performance won't change any of that.


Losing a promising player to Milford is a totally different thing to losing him to Boyd. Please tell me you didn't compare both players! :shocked:

Do you struggle with English, the language Porthoz ? Clearly, you are simply looking for anything at all to disagree with me, even to the point of deliberately misconstruing what was written. I won't bother responding to such an astoundingly stupid conclusion.

No Sproj, I do not think that WB will 'protect' Boyd if he is not performing. I do not believe WB will sacrifice the teams wellbeing or performance simply because he cares for one player. Unlike the vast majority of people on this site, my self included, I believe WB has the maturity and judgement to do what has to be done no matter how unpalatable that may be to himself. I also believe WB has surrounded himself with people who will say their piece and call a spade a spade, straight shooters if you will. He did that with the very clear intention of safeguarding himself from such failings. It seems to be around here that posters have evidence that WB favours players when they are not performing, even when better options are around. If you believe that, demonstrate examples and in particular when he did so in favour of Boyd. Also, what the **** is a 'zenithly higher level' ?