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Apparently Gerome Burns is playing pretty well in the 20s.
Apparently Gerome Burns is playing pretty well in the 20s.
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We did and then thought it would be a good idea to just let him go to the Titans for some reason. Monumental stuff up that one.
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Not many people think that, I highly doubt they'll release him early, even if Taylor signs for us for 2019. We'll have a bridge year in 2018 in which we'll probably have to play Nikorima or Marshall if that's the case. Croft's situation is about 85% more unlikely because if we signed him for 2020 we'd need 2 bridge years, which is pretty dumb.
Players do have all the power, except he's not able to sign with a club until November 2018 by the laws of the game, do you really want to wait 3 years to get him?
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they got rid of those rules, despite what the media will have you believe ... Theoretically we could sign Taylor for 2019 or Croft for 2020 right now ... it wouldn't be smart, but we could do it.
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But he's far more likely to honour his commitment, especially given he's only one year into a three year deal.
Unless something dramatic happens, I just think we're wasting our time looking at guys like Cleary & Croft to replace Hunt.
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What about Hastings or Hutchinson? Maybe Bennett could get them to reach their potential...?
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...k=e82e949f3034a07410790203da17bf18-1490841063
I can't find anything to say that the November 1 rule was scrapped, which was in effect as recently as November 1st, 2016..
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I'd much rather believe guys that might have an idea about it than the media. guys like @1910 and @Smokin' Joe
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@Unbreakable the following comes directly from the NRL website ... no mention of November 1 (although it still has the round 13 rules, which was obviously changed to a 10 day cooling off period)
Anti-Tampering Guidelines
The current ‘anti-tampering’ guidelines state that the NRL will not register a player’s contract with a new club until after Round Thirteen in the final year of that player’s existing contract with his current club. The only exception to this is where the existing club agrees that the new contract should be registered
There is no rule to prevent clubs talking to players at any time. There is an acceptance that nobody likes to see players negotiating with a new team but there is also the reality that players in the game do change clubs and that those discussions can take place over an extended period.
Rather than introduce ‘discussion deadlines’ that have in the past been shown to be ineffective, the NRL reserves the right not to register the contract and that ensures that the player’s existing club has a fair chance of retaining its player if it wants to.
http://www.nrl.com/news/news/newsar...d/58360/nrl-salary-cap-explained/default.aspx
Anti-Tampering Guidelines
The current ‘anti-tampering’ guidelines state that the NRL will not register a player’s contract with a new club until after Round Thirteen in the final year of that player’s existing contract with his current club. The only exception to this is where the existing club agrees that the new contract should be registered
There is no rule to prevent clubs talking to players at any time. There is an acceptance that nobody likes to see players negotiating with a new team but there is also the reality that players in the game do change clubs and that those discussions can take place over an extended period.
Rather than introduce ‘discussion deadlines’ that have in the past been shown to be ineffective, the NRL reserves the right not to register the contract and that ensures that the player’s existing club has a fair chance of retaining its player if it wants to.
http://www.nrl.com/news/news/newsar...d/58360/nrl-salary-cap-explained/default.aspx
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Yeah those are clearly outdated rules.. I tend to believe the media on this one, you never see any players sign with other clubs 1-2 years in advance, do you? And considering the usual flurry of rumours and movements between November & Christmas, that would also indicate that the November 1 rule is real.
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1 year in advance, yes ... e.g. Hunt
2 years in advance, no but unless the player is Thurston or Lockyer, no club is going to take that sort of risk.
besides, i don't beleive a thing the rugby league media tell me anymore ... Hell, if they told me it was raining in Brisbane right now, i would go outside and check for myself.
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Hunt shopped himself around after November, which has been my point all along, you can only sign a player from another club after November 1st the year before the final year of their contract. That means we won't be able to legally sign Taylor until November this year, and Croft until November next year. The only scenario that changes is if the player asks for a release and the club grants it, then we can swoop. But that isn't happening in either case.
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we'll have to agree to disagree, because I don't believe that rule exists given what i could find about it from the NRL website (even the article about the change from round 13 rule to 10 day cooling off period mentioned anything about there also being a new anti tampering deadline of November 1) and what some of the others working in the industry (like 1910 have stated on here)
There was an anti tampering deadline of November 1 once they abolished the old June 30 deadline... but they got rid of that as well (as said in the article i posted) because they simply didn't work. clubs weren't even trying to hide the fact they were talking to and signing players before Nov 1.
they abolished November 1 and brought in the round 13 rule (which also allowed players to talk to and sign with any club they wanted, but the contract wouldn't be official until round 13 of their final year), but abolished that after the DCE fiasco to bring in a simple 10 day cooling off period.
Not that i think we should sign either of those players officially while they are under contract (unless we can get something concrete from their current clubs (as well as themselves obviously) stating that they are prepared to release said player.
lets just agree to disagree :superhappythumbsup:
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Can you show me where anyone has signed a contract like you're speaking of in the past few years? (Prior to November 1 of the year before the last year of their contract), if there's any evidence of that happening then I will happily agree that the rule doesn't exist.
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just because something hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean there is a rule to prevent it from happening.
which players that you could realisticly pry away from their current clubs, would sign more than a year out from their contract ending ... i can't think of a single player that i would risk signing 2 years from their contract expiring
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How is it a risk for the player? They're securing their future.. It's no different from Taumalolo signing a 10 year deal, securing his future.
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it is not a risk for a player but a massive risk for a club ... a player may be prepared to sign with someone else 2 years out ... but they still need to have an offer on the table to do so, and while clubs may be prepared to offer their own stars long term deals, the are highly unlikely to want to offer any player a contract to start nearly 2 seasons later.
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Does anyone really think Taylor would seriously come out and say he wants to leave the Titans? He would shoot himself in the foot for any future contract negotiations, plus he wouldnt want to look like DCE in terms of his character. He also wouldnt say he wants to see out his contract and rejoin the Broncos, or any other club for that matter.
At the end of this season, i think his position will become crystal clear. I dont think we will see it dragged out past the start of 2018 either way.
At the end of this season, i think his position will become crystal clear. I dont think we will see it dragged out past the start of 2018 either way.
