Our run to the finals

Tom

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If we win 3 games and scrape into the finals and win one finals match we would be statistically worse than the previous 5 years.
Nope, we won 0% of finals games last year. If we were to win one then get knocked out that statistic would jump to 50%.
 
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broncsgoat

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Correct. All that really matters is where you finish at the end of the season. Bennettgoat is too far invested into his negative outlook to see it in any other light. I'm not even sure if he would be happy if we won the Grand Final.
When people make ludicrous fucking statements like this is going to be our best season since 2015 they're going to be questioned. I haven't initiated anything about Bennett for weeks yet every post I make, there are little snipes about him, it's really immature.
 

ostin86

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If we win 3 games and scrape into the finals and win one finals match we would be statistically worse than the previous 5 years.

I'm no maths genius but I believe finishing in the top 6 rather than top 8 would be an improvement, and an important statistic to consider.
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When people make ludicrous fucking statements like this is going to be our best season since 2015 they're going to be questioned. I haven't initiated anything about Bennett for weeks yet every post I make, there are little snipes about him, it's really immature.
Mate you only have yourself to blame for that really. Given your input to the forum this year, are these 'snipes' really that much of a surprise to you?
 
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broncsgoat

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Mate you only have yourself to blame for that really. Given your input to the forum this year, are these 'snipes' really that much of a surprise to you?
I wasn't having a discussion with you about anything, and then you make a snide comment calling me Bennettgoat - great input to the forum mate.
 

ostin86

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I wasn't having a discussion with you about anything, and then you make a snide comment calling me Bennettgoat - great input to the forum mate.
I don't really care if you were having a conversation with me. Your endless Bennet dick riding this year has been painful to read. Personally, as a big fan of the Broncos (like almost everybody on this forum) I find the majority of your comments quite aggravating and generally I just try to ignore them. But don't be surprised when people bite back at your depressing rhetoric.
 

broncsgoat

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I don't really care if you were having a conversation with me. Your endless Bennet dick riding this year has been painful to read. Personally, as a big fan of the Broncos (like almost everybody on this forum) I find the majority of your comments quite aggravating and generally I just try to ignore them. But don't be surprised when people bite back at your depressing rhetoric.
Mate I wasn't talking about Bennett. I rarely do unless prompted. I did earlier in the season yes but no longer do unless the conversation is about him. But you do you mate.
 

Purple Pills

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When people make ludicrous fucking statements like this is going to be our best season since 2015 they're going to be questioned. I haven't initiated anything about Bennett for weeks yet every post I make, there are little snipes about him, it's really immature.
What part of best season in my opinion and biggest achievement since 2015 under the circumstances did you not comprehend? I never once said statistically better so you might want to actually read the quote with that perspective in mind.

And whilst you refuse to even acknowledge anything remotely positive since the coaching swap happened pre season, whether it was right or wrong or whether you agreed with it or not, the fact is you are always going to be questioned about your agenda and rightly so whilst you continue to go out of way to undermine Seibold at every single
opportunity.

You keep harping on about us twisting things to cover up our poor season when we are trying to throw in some perspective, yet here you are twisting any positives in a bad light to suit your negative agenda. The irony is so blatant.

I’m beginning to think you would be happier with Souths winning the comp over Brisbane this year just so you can stroke your ego to a bunch of strangers on the internet with a ‘I told you so’ even if it’s at the expense of the club you are suppose to support. You seem to want Seibold to fail just so you can validate your opinions. You know what? I’m 50/50 on Seibold but even if I didn’t like him, I sure as **** do not want him to fail whilst he is at OUR club because of what that obviously entails.

Be negative, be critical, hound the club when we are making stupid decisions and team selections, that’s all well and good. But for god sake offer some constructive criticism once in a while and maybe acknowledge when the club does something right even if you don’t agree with who is running the show. If you are a fan of the club that cares about success, then you should be hoping this appointment works out and should be actually giving the bloke some time.
 

ostin86

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Mate I wasn't talking about Bennett. I rarely do unless prompted. I did earlier in the season yes but no longer do unless the conversation is about him. But you do you mate.
Credit where it's due. You definitely have eased off on the Bennett talk, people have long memories but.
 

broncsgoat

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What part of best season in my opinion and biggest achievement since 2015 under the circumstances did you not comprehend? I never once said statistically better so you might want to actually read the quote with that perspective in mind.

And whilst you refuse to even acknowledge anything remotely positive since the coaching swap happened pre season, whether it was right or wrong or whether you agreed with it or not, the fact is you are always going to be questioned about your agenda and rightly so whilst you continue to go out of way to undermine Seibold at every single
opportunity.

You keep harping on about us twisting things to cover up our poor season when we are trying to throw in some perspective, yet here you are twisting any positives in a bad light to suit your negative agenda. The irony is so blatant.

I’m beginning to think you would be happier with Souths winning the comp over Brisbane this year just so you can stroke your ego to a bunch of strangers on the internet with a ‘I told you so’ even if it’s at the expense of the club you are suppose to support. You seem to want Seibold to fail just so you can validate your opinions. You know what? I’m 50/50 on Seibold but even if I didn’t like him, I sure as **** do not want him to fail whilst he is at OUR club because of what that obviously entails.

Be negative, be critical, hound the club when we are making stupid decisions and team selections, that’s all well and good. But for god sake offer some constructive criticism once in a while and maybe acknowledge when the club does something right even if you don’t agree with who is running the show. If you are a fan of the club that cares about success, then you should be hoping this appointment works out and should be actually giving the bloke some time.
I missed the IMO at the end of your sentence, but even still, my response to your actual post wasn't the one quoted in this post. I was the one who brought up statistically because for the life of me I don't know how anyone could think this season has been the best since 15. Making a whole lot of excuses like no other club goes through the same shit every year to justify your position deserves to be questioned.

I wasn't undermining Seibold - shit, I wasn't even talking about him.

What positives am I twisting into a bad light? I don't understand.

You can think what you want about who I would like to win but I do and always will want the Broncos to win.
 

john1420

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I didn't mention anything to do with Bennett. My post wasn't agenda based. It's factual.

Listing a bunch of excuses like we've never had a tough draw or suspensions before to try and mask an overall poor season is what someone with their head up their ass would actually do.
Nope, not factual, it's biased like all your posts
 

broncsgoat

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Nope, not factual, it's biased like all your posts
Technically incorrect as has been pointed out but biased? Never.

I could make a slight change and say guaranteed to be our worst regular season since 14'.
 
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Purple Pills

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I missed the IMO at the end of your sentence, but even still, my response to your actual post wasn't the one quoted in this post. I was the one who brought up statistically because for the life of me I don't know how anyone could think this season has been the best since 15. Making a whole lot of excuses like no other club goes through the same shit every year to justify your position deserves to be questioned.

I wasn't undermining Seibold - shit, I wasn't even talking about him.

What positives am I twisting into a bad light? I don't understand.

You can think what you want about who I would like to win but I do and always will want the Broncos to win.
Well I don’t know about you but in a season where we have been kicked pillar to post, underachieving for the most of first half of the season, had zero stability team cohesion wise all year because of constant injuries, suspensions and player movement which has had us at one stage made finishing in the bottom 4 look a real possibility, I think making the 8 is a decent achievement under the circumstances and considering how the team was looking in the first 8 weeks. Last year for instance I felt we were more settled as a team and were more consistent and then we ended the regular season on fire so making the 8 felt more like a given. That is why the absolute pasting in Week 1 at home was hard to take.

Statistically regular season wise, 2019 will not be better than last season but we have had a lot of shit to contend with this year whether you want to think that’s an excuse or not and I think if we at least match our Week 1 finals standing of last season, that’s some turn around from the way we were looking after around 8.

Tell me how many other clubs do you reckon could make the finals after:

- Losing their most successful and established coach during the pre season (whose style and culture is imbedded in the very fabric of the club and players) to a completely different brand of coach who has to completely change their playing style and get the players to buy in

- Let go of 3 international players, an origin centre and an up and coming forward to be able to keep our gun players coming through that need to be upgraded to stop them being poached

- Having a 2-6 start to the year heading into Origin where we had our biggest contingent during the series in some time.

- Having our most important positions in our spine handicapped every single week with the way Boyd and Macca’s seasons have played out. We also have had to contend with putting our most established half back to 1 to try and rectify the problem.

You call this making excuses, I am merely stating some of the hurdles we have had to contend with and I think if we make the finals despite all this I definitely give it a pass mark and look forward to building on it next season.

For all the talk about players wanting out and following Bennett out the door, only 2 of them did and even then that was circumstantial. Roberts because he was pushing for a move back
home because Seibold refused to cut him the same slack Bennett did and he didn’t want to be held accountable. And Su’a was always struggling to be in our best 17 with the emergence of Carrigan and Flegler and more probably left for the opportunity. The fact we got Lodge and TPJ to extend was a positive sign that the players are buying in. Hopefully Fifita is next.

Bennett is an effort coach and more of a man manager than Seibold but I believe Seibold is a better tactician and employs a more modern style to help us take that next step. Remains to be seen of it will work but the future looks brighter than it did 3 months ago and we have a good base to build on. I kind of feel like part of your grudge is because you bought into the idea we were ready to win the comp but the realists knew this wasn’t going to click overnight with all the changes. Premierships aren’t won on ‘potential’
 

broncsgoat

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Well I don’t know about you but in a season where we have been kicked pillar to post, underachieving for the most of first half of the season, had zero stability team cohesion wise all year because of constant injuries, suspensions and player movement which has had us at one stage made finishing in the bottom 4 look a real possibility, I think making the 8 is a decent achievement under the circumstances and considering how the team was looking in the first 8 weeks. Last year for instance I felt we were more settled as a team and were more consistent and then we ended the regular season on fire so making the 8 felt more like a given. That is why the absolute pasting in Week 1 at home was hard to take.

Statistically regular season wise, 2019 will not be better than last season but we have had a lot of shit to contend with this year whether you want to think that’s an excuse or not and I think if we at least match our Week 1 finals standing of last season, that’s some turn around from the way we were looking after around 8.

Tell me how many other clubs do you reckon could make the finals after:

- Losing their most successful and established coach during the pre season (whose style and culture is imbedded in the very fabric of the club and players) to a completely different brand of coach who has to completely change their playing style and get the players to buy in

- Let go of 3 international players, an origin centre and an up and coming forward to be able to keep our gun players coming through that need to be upgraded to stop them being poached

- Having a 2-6 start to the year heading into Origin where we had our biggest contingent during the series in some time.

- Having our most important positions in our spine handicapped every single week with the way Boyd and Macca’s seasons have played out. We also have had to contend with putting our most established half back to 1 to try and rectify the problem.

You call this making excuses, I am merely stating some of the hurdles we have had to contend with and I think if we make the finals despite all this I definitely give it a pass mark and look forward to building on it next season.

For all the talk about players wanting out and following Bennett out the door, only 2 of them did and even then that was circumstantial. Roberts because he was pushing for a move back
home because Seibold refused to cut him the same slack Bennett did and he didn’t want to be held accountable. And Su’a was always struggling to be in our best 17 with the emergence of Carrigan and Flegler and more probably left for the opportunity. The fact we got Lodge and TPJ to extend was a positive sign that the players are buying in. Hopefully Fifita is next.

Bennett is an effort coach and more of a man manager than Seibold but I believe Seibold is a better tactician and employs a more modern style to help us take that next step. Remains to be seen of it will work but the future looks brighter than it did 3 months ago and we have a good base to build on. I kind of feel like part of your grudge is because you bought into the idea we were ready to win the comp but the realists knew this wasn’t going to click overnight with all the changes. Premierships aren’t won on ‘potential’
Look, you make some fair points.

I don't want to be drawn into a seibold v Bennett discussion as I have been doing my very best to avoid them... however, the last part of this post annoys me. Everyone is feeling more positive having not lost for the past month, that's great. I would just hope everyone could temper their enthusiasm a little by looking at who we've beaten/drawn over that period - 4 of the bottom 6 sides. I just find it a bit rich to be trumpeting seibold as a better tactician than Bennett when half of our 8 wins this season coming in the last month playing against the absolute dregs of the competition.
 
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