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Jedhead said:
Too true about Nestle BTW.
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Which is why I feel sick whenever someone says "it's just business" or something to that effect. If this is where the road leads, then I would rather it not be a business. In the end, sport is entertainment, it's not a religion, it doesn't really contribute anything more to society than a regular spectacle. We could get entertainment down at the local park watching people play for free. Once it gets to the point where people are actively displaying moral decay and justifying it through "business", you have to start wondering whether it's a net good for society, to have your kids watching this, learning from these "role models". Because SBW was Payne's role model, and here we are today.
 
Organix said:
..........Payne is caught at a young maturity level with a lot of money and poor mates.
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Add to that the early demands from his family for him to bring home the bacon because he was talented......all could be used as excuses for his behaviour.

The low maturity level is the root of it.

...and I think its "in him".

The only way to prove he was totally hoodwinked by his management....is to fire them.

He won't, because he's a shitcunt.

Bill Simmons No GIF by The Ringer
 
Payne says - If someone writes something people run with it. They don’t base it on facts. I’ve offloaded the most of anyone in our team.”
According to Champion Data, he averages 1.2 offloads a match behind teammates Tom Flegler (1.83) and Pat Carrigan (1.63).

The facts - Season offloads note Payne has played more games.
Flegler 14
Carrigan 13
Haas 13
 
Johnny92 said:
Payne says - If someone writes something people run with it. They don’t base it on facts. I’ve offloaded the most of anyone in our team.”
According to Champion Data, he averages 1.2 offloads a match behind teammates Tom Flegler (1.83) and Pat Carrigan (1.63).

The facts - Season offloads note Payne has played more games.
Flegler 14
Carrigan 13
Haas 13
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Did he really say that?

Fucking hell man, HOW HAS NO-ONE IN YOUR CIRCLE TOLD YOU TO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YET?!?! You're really, really not helping your cause at all.
 
LittleDavey said:
Did he really say that?

Fucking hell man, HOW HAS NO-ONE IN YOUR CIRCLE TOLD YOU TO SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YET?!?! You're really, really not helping your cause at all.
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Says it in the interview "I wish I could start all over again" that Mchunt posted earlier.

It comes straight out of the book of Mundine.
 
Organix said:
Which is why I feel sick whenever someone says "it's just business" or something to that effect. If this is where the road leads, then I would rather it not be a business. In the end, sport is entertainment, it's not a religion, it doesn't really contribute anything more to society than a regular spectacle. We could get entertainment down at the local park watching people play for free. Once it gets to the point where people are actively displaying moral decay and justifying it through "business", you have to start wondering whether it's a net good for society, to have your kids watching this, learning from these "role models". Because SBW was Payne's role model, and here we are today.
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To look at things from a different perspective, he hasn't broken his contract at any point, he's actually given 100% every single game he's played, so I'd argue morally, employee to employer, he's done more than many NRL players who are happy to collect a pay packet and coast. The club has looked after him very well, and he's repaid that by giving his all.

There's a few well justified things to bag his moral compass on, but asking for a release doesn't even register a thought on his character for mine.

If he was a shit player, let's say Milford, he'd be a god for asking for a release from a big money contract.

I'd actually argue what Milford did collecting a milliona year while not being interested in actually earning it, is worse, but I don't think he's a bad bloke, get that bag Milf.

Ash Taylor potentially living in pain for the rest of his life, no one cares about him. Players with CTE, no real support there. Businesses never give two ***** about their employees and would happily shit on them if they could get away with it legally. As soon as they outlive their usefulness they're turfed.

Clubs do it all the times with dodgy leaks to journos to put pressure on players to leave, dropping them to reserves, not letting them leave even if it would prevent them doing better elsewhere, feeding them false hope of a re-signing, life time injury? Too bad good luck out there, the list is endless.
I think his manager is a turd, but that's on him for choosing him and I think he's handled it completely unprofessionally but I don't think he's a bad human because he wants out.

If I had kids, and they thought NRL players were role models, that'd be a failure in parenting. There's plenty of real role models locally, sports stars shouldn't be idolised.
 
Johnny92 said:
Payne says - If someone writes something people run with it. They don’t base it on facts. I’ve offloaded the most of anyone in our team.”
According to Champion Data, he averages 1.2 offloads a match behind teammates Tom Flegler (1.83) and Pat Carrigan (1.63).

The facts - Season offloads note Payne has played more games.
Flegler 14
Carrigan 13
Haas 13
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The Boos just got louder.
 
I am starting the believe that Haas, Isaako, Lodge & TPJ were the toxic players.

Had my suspicions it was Isaako, Lodge & TPJ.

But the way Haas is acting, I have added him to the list.

Yep, I have my tin foil hat on.
 
After listening to a bunch of podcasts including the Ikin interview for Fox and reading all the stuff, I think my main thing that has come from this is that Haas himself has said he doesn't want to leave Brisbane but he is badly influenced by his toxic manager and the type of people he thinks are role models like SBW and Mundine. It's actually a shock for once everyone in the media and even V'landys himself have said stick to your contract. The only people that think Haas deserves a $1million is the blokes from NRL Boom Rookies Podcast who are generally right on most issues except they think especially Fifita deserves the 1.2 million as they criticise anyone who criticises Fifita about how he looks disinterested, lazy etc at the Titans.
 
Kimlo said:
To look at things from a different perspective, he hasn't broken his contract at any point, he's actually given 100% every single game he's played, so I'd argue morally, employee to employer, he's done more than many NRL players who are happy to collect a pay packet and coast. The club has looked after him very well, and he's repaid that by giving his all.

There's a few well justified things to bag his moral compass on, but asking for a release doesn't even register a thought on his character for mine.

If he was a shit player, let's say Milford, he'd be a god for asking for a release from a big money contract.

I'd actually argue what Milford did collecting a milliona year while not being interested in actually earning it, is worse, but I don't think he's a bad bloke, get that bag Milf.

Ash Taylor potentially living in pain for the rest of his life, no one cares about him. Players with CTE, no real support there. Businesses never give two ***** about their employees and would happily shit on them if they could get away with it legally. As soon as they outlive their usefulness they're turfed.

Clubs do it all the times with dodgy leaks to journos to put pressure on players to leave, dropping them to reserves, not letting them leave even if it would prevent them doing better elsewhere, feeding them false hope of a re-signing, life time injury? Too bad good luck out there, the list is endless.
I think his manager is a turd, but that's on him for choosing him and I think he's handled it completely unprofessionally but I don't think he's a bad human because he wants out.

If I had kids, and they thought NRL players were role models, that'd be a failure in parenting. There's plenty of real role models locally, sports stars shouldn't be idolised.
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Totally agree regarding the club, but again "that's business", right? The moral decay was not directed solely at Payne, but rather at the current state of professional sport.

In the case of Payne and the Broncos, one has to wonder at the way in which the off-field indiscretions are handled in a societal context. Payne's mother assaults people, the police say to one victim to drop it and she'll buy you a new phone. How much of that has to do with the Broncos?

Is one person who can play sport very well actually above the law? If we accept that in our sports, do we accept that in other areas too?

To your point regarding players and their treatment following injuries or poor form; Well, as I don't like that art is commercialised outside of live performances, I'm against these contractual situations in any case. However, I'm also about people's right to choose, and I think that players should be aware of what ills might befall them in entering this "profession". In any case, I think they should have a backup plan that should be subsidised by clubs if they're going to run professional outfits as duty of care. Especially if they're going to recruit children.

In terms of players coasting, that is a pitfall for any employer. If they want to run a business built on other people's talent, they should be totally aware of those risks.

The issue for the club is when they should break a contract for indiscretions and players purposefully angle for release in order to get a release. Contracts should have clauses that stipulate the required behaviour of employees and clubs and players should both abide by them.

Payne did nothing wrong. I agree. He was within all his rights. However, his management used the media to play this out and should be investigated and fined for brand damage. Payne should also, but he probably won't. Payne has indeed been very good in his performance, but off-field has been poor.

In the end, I think the whole release fiasco played out as it should have. I think the club should probably move him on and seek professionalism. I think the NRL should reward professionalism in clubs and support good systems before they continue trying to expand.

My issue with the NRL is that it is clearly a slave to money. Poor clubs in a capitalist enterprise should theoretically fail and not be supported by richer clubs. Taking this further, good clubs should prosper and grow and introduce second teams. However, the NRL fight the market and because of this allow indiscretions to occur in many ways. So, players and clubs can rise above the sport.

Honestly, it's a shit show and this whole Payne Saga only highlights the problems and also how big a role the media plays in it.
 
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