Peter Wallace!!!

[Charmamba]

[quote="Anonymous person":ojl5xp2t]

No-one has come up with a better solution and he's still a good player.

buy a better halfback.

You're the original Lockyer is past it thread poster, aren't you?
Nuff said... :roll:

nope, im not. go back and check your facts before trying to 'oh snap' someone icon_thumbs_u

Ok, you didn't create the thread, but you did keep it alive and became the biggest Lockyer bagger in this forum, same difference. :roll:

And that to me, says enough...[/quote:ojl5xp2t]


Pretty sure AP has also come out and said he judged to soon, or something along those lines.

 

[Coxy]

Yep, but once you make a statement on BHQ you can never escape it.

Ask Rock about his "Thurston is overrated" slur in 2008. Nobody's let him forget it.

 

[Porthoz]

Pretty sure AP has also come out and said he judged to soon, or something along those lines.

Thx draggx, I rest my case! icon_thumbs_u

Yep, but once you make a statement on BHQ you can never escape it.

Ask Rock about his "Thurston is overrated" slur in 2008. Nobody's let him forget it.

That's exactly right, and deservedly so too!
And when the time comes, your agenda against Wallace will also be remembered... [icon_razz1

 

[Coxy]

Yeah I know. Suddenly the fact he's out of form now will be forgotten and everyone will go "wow, look how orsm he is"...just like finals time last year ;-)

Not that it negates what I have said at all...but people will say it does ;-)

 

[Anonymous person]

Pretty sure AP has also come out and said he judged to soon, or something along those lines.

Thx draggx, I rest my case! icon_thumbs_u

how does me saying that i judged him too soon prove your point?

i was NEVER his biggest detractor. i love lockyer more than half the people on here, which - like i said in that thread - is why i thought he should seriously think about giving the game up. i dont want to see him go out as a player that stayed one year too long. id rather he went out when hes still got another good season in him than have him go out having just played a poor season.

and going from what we'd seen, that poor season was looking quite likely.

 

[Bannermania]

Dear Peter Wallace,

You're not Tim Smith.

Sincerely,

Tim Smith.

 

[Porthoz]

Pretty sure AP has also come out and said he judged to soon, or something along those lines.

Thx draggx, I rest my case! icon_thumbs_u

how does me saying that i judged him too soon prove your point?

i was NEVER his biggest detractor. i love lockyer more than half the people on here, which - like i said in that thread - is why i thought he should seriously think about giving the game up. i dont want to see him go out as a player that stayed one year too long. id rather he went out when hes still got another good season in him than have him go out having just played a poor season.

and going from what we'd seen, that poor season was looking quite likely.

The point is that your credibility when judging a player is equal to zip, nil, nothing! :roll:

This isn't about Wallace in particular, but about people who bag a player relentlessly without justification.

I don't think many people here disagree with the fact that Wallace isn't at his best and needs to improve his game, but it is an entirely different thing to blame him solely for the defeat against the Tigers or the Panthers, or even the lacklustre win against the Eels.
Some go to the absolutely incredible lenghts of expecting him to defeat those teams on his own, because he's a senior player and the halfback! [icon_shru
Others simply want him gone, because Ben Hunt is sure to do much better in the position. [eusa_doh

People tend to forget that this is a colective game, where everyone needs to play his part and that clearly wasn't the case in those games.
Or were all the poor games we played this and last season Lockyer's fault, because he's the senior player, the captain and the 5/8?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Pretty sure AP has also come out and said he judged to soon, or something along those lines.

Thx draggx, I rest my case! icon_thumbs_u

how does me saying that i judged him too soon prove your point?

i was NEVER his biggest detractor. i love lockyer more than half the people on here, which - like i said in that thread - is why i thought he should seriously think about giving the game up. i dont want to see him go out as a player that stayed one year too long. id rather he went out when hes still got another good season in him than have him go out having just played a poor season.

and going from what we'd seen, that poor season was looking quite likely.

The point is that your credibility when judging a player is equal to zip, nil, nothing! :roll:

This isn't about Wallace in particular, but about people who bag a player relentlessly without justification.

I don't think many people here disagree with the fact that Wallace isn't at his best and needs to improve his game, but it is an entirely different thing to blame him solely for the defeat against the Tigers or the Panthers, or even the lacklustre win against the Eels.
Some go to the absolutely incredible lenghts of expecting him to defeat those teams on his own, because he's a senior player and the halfback! [icon_shru
Others simply want him gone, because Ben Hunt is sure to do much better in the position. [eusa_doh

People tend to forget that this is a colective game, where everyone needs to play his part and that clearly wasn't the case in those games.
Or were all the poor games we played this and last season Lockyer's fault, because he's the senior player, the captain and the 5/8?

Whilsts others just defend Wallace for the sake of it!!

 

[Anonymous person]

The point is that your credibility when judging a player is equal to zip, nil, nothing! :roll:

lolzipop. whatever buddy.

when i said that, lockyer WAS playing poorly. he was a shadow of his former self. he looked down and out, he had no running game, his kicking was dreadful, and he looked like he didnt want to be there. i, being the lockyer fan i am, didnt want to see him play one year too long, so i said he needs to retire.

my credibility when judging players is always doubted on here. i said Stu Kelly sucked, everyone doubted me and told me he was great. i said Steve Michaels sucked, everyone doubted me and told me i have no idea about football and that hes great. i said Slaters the best fullback in the game, everyone doubted me and said Hunt is miles better and always will be. i said Shane Perry wasnt a good player, everyone doubted me and told me he was great. i said Wallace didnt look like he was everything people were cracking him up to be YEARS ago, everyone doubted me and told me i knew nothing about football. look what discussions people are having on here now about wallace.

its the BHQ way. if someone doubts anything broncos related, bag the hell out of them and say 'you dont know football' until the day theyre proven right, then pretend you agreed all along.

 

[Donny]

Cant we all just agree to disagree? Everyone is entilted to voice their opinion. Some agree, some dont.

I think we can all agree that Wallace hasnt been playing at his best, but all of us being the loyal Broncos supporters we are would love to see him pick his act up and play the way we know he can play [icon_wink

I myself think the critism of Wallace to far to harsh but time will tell!

 

[m1c]

AP: you fire enough arrows you will eventually come up with a bulls eye or two. There wouldn't be a Broncos player you haven't bagged.

 

[Porthoz]

Whilsts others just defend Wallace for the sake of it!!

Pot, kettle, black?
I haven't read a single constructive post from you regarding Wallace! :roll:

This is a comparison in stats for Wallace in the last 4 games for the Broncos. It includes his "best game of the season" against Souths, according to his detractors here.

Opponent Try TA LB LBA Runs Mtrs Tcks Miss TBrk OL Kcks KMtrs Err
Rabbitohs 0 2 0 0 2 14 21 4 0 0 8 233 1
Panthers 1 0 1 0 8 80 26 4 6 2 6 228 2
Eels 1 0 0 0 6 35 21 5 0 0 7 225 3
Tigers 0 1 0 1 11 55 20 4 5 3 14 387 3

If you look at these stats, they show how much work he performed against the Tigers, when compared to the Souths game. To counter balance the 2 extra errors and 1 less try assist, you have 5 more tackle breaks, 3 offloads, almost double the kicks and kick meters gained, 1 line break assist and significantly... 5 times more runs and run meters!
If anything, it indicates how he had to try and do it all alone!
But don't let the facts stand in the way of your agenda... [icon_shru

 

[Bucking Beads]

So Wallace trys hard so it is all good??? Look we could bicker about this all night but I am still waiting for Wallace to be consistent for more than 30 min's

 

[Porthoz]

So Wallace trys hard so it is all good??? Look we could bicker about this all night but I am still waiting for Wallace to be consistent for more than 30 min's

This about him being bagged as the sole responsible for everything bad that happened to the Broncos lately, or are you unable to tell the difference?

I agree that he needs to improve, never denied it, and neither do the other people taking a stance against the Wallace bashing, but he is by far the best H/B available at the Broncos and there aren't many others out there which I would trade him for. (Thurston, Prince, Cronk... that's it)

 

[Bucking Beads]

So Wallace trys hard so it is all good??? Look we could bicker about this all night but I am still waiting for Wallace to be consistent for more than 30 min's

This about him being bagged as the sole responsible for everything bad that happened to the Broncos lately, or are you unable to tell the difference?

I agree that he needs to improve, never denied it, and neither do the other people taking a stance against the Wallace bashing, but he is by far the best H/B available at the Broncos and there aren't many others out there which I would trade him for. (Thurston, Prince, Cronk... that's it)

If I have said Wallace is the only one to blame I apologise. If he had played a bit better against the Tigers we would have won I have no doubt.

 

[dukey]

Wallace isn't the best halfback in the game - but he's good enough.
Good enough in the sense that Darren plays better with Wallace on the field. Good enough in the sense that since he joined the team, we've won games without Locky, which was a rare occurence pre-2008.
And yeah, this has been a sub-par season for him, however, we've still won a shedload of games, and won them convincingly - and I don't think anybody could keep a straight face while they say that we've done that in spite of Wallace.

 

[Coxy]

Like it or not, the Broncos rely on Wallace as their main organiser, and a chief playmaker. He's not got the polish on his play this season to consistently capitalise on opportunities. It is this lack of polish that IMO was the difference in the Tigers and Panthers games. We had ample opportunity, Wallace was unable to deliver the punch.

He tried hard, he was in everything, blah blah blah...we could get the same effort from Ben Te'o if he played halfback. He wouldn't be effective either.

Maybe if he tried LESS hard he'd be MORE effective.

 

[Charmamba]

Maybe if he tried LESS hard he'd be MORE effective.

That there is why we won a premiership with Perry.