POST GAME PSC - Broncos vs Cowboys

[HarryAllan7]

Very frustrating to see how many Cowboys drop-outs were not taken from the centre of the goal line, but rather from nearer one post. Especially, the 10m grubber. If the refs will be pedantic about a 20m restart position, they ought to also be strict in this way too, particularly when it opens the angle for the cross-field short restart. The rules are there for a reason.

The Cowboys are given the same rulebook as the Panthers, Storm and Roosters... Everyone else gets different, harsher rules.

 

[McHunt]

Herbie has always been hyper conservative with the ball in these situations

They're already headed for the sideline , if he gives the ball early and Oates gets forced out, he'd be crucified for that instead.

What Herbie needs to do is continue his line while straightening a bit, keep the ball but throw the dummy and break through and/or throw to Oates after getting past the defence instead of trying to step back against the grain. Or have Oates come back under and he passes inside to him

Both very simple plays, and Herbie needs to start doing it asap

Hyperconservative is an interesting euphemism for stiffing your winger. Selfish is another. But yes.

Like I said, it's why he's problematic at centre. Not only doing exactly what you describe, but being a "gun" at it, should be in the job description at his pay grade.

I've been disappointed in his trials. He seems to have reverted to his old ways. I was expecting so much more from him in attack given the level of gushing hype he attracts.

If he busts through the line and scores, he's vindicated. But this business of turning about face and heading back into the defensive wall, it never ever works for him. The coach should be onto this.

 

[McHunt]

The Cowboys are given the same rulebook as the Panthers, Storm and Roosters... Everyone else gets different, harsher rules.

Wouldn't this be an organized crime? Risky place to commit one on TV, with your criminal acts forensically examined by millions in slow motion, while expert commentators comb through the evidence.

But I mean, shit, it's possible. Just incredibly brazen. Suggest you gather your evidence and report them to ACIC.

 

[Big Del]

Billy must have had a reasonable game, we're back to talking about how Herbie can't pass

Not can`t pass .
Prefers not to .

 

[BroncsFan]

He wasn't too deep. If he were any flatter he would've run the risk of overrunning Herbie if he stepped. Which Herbie did, and then turned around and ran the other way. And like every time he does this move, heads straight into a defensive wall and kills the play.

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I'd have to agree that he should've done better in that instance.

Cows have a condensed sliding line, so the defence is always coming across to him if he cuts back in.

It looks like the play that's needed there is Herbie getting outside Hiku, which he looked to be well on his way to doing, brining Feldt into the tackle and then offloading to Oates... what I would say is that the play doesn't look like a simple draw and pass, where he just needs to keep running a line and eventually pass to Oates, because the sliding defence would just take Oates over the sideline.

It's one of those Lomax plays required here, where he has to end up taking the contact of Hiku and then offloading around Feldt coming in. Herbie is carrying with his left hand there, which is great to see, but it's not his natural carry from memory... so he may not be entirely comfortable with one handed flick passes using his weaker hand.

It's the issue associated with putting a natural right hand carry on the left hand side of the field.

Cobbo does have a natural left hand carry, which was why he was able to palm off two defenders before sprinting 80m in the All Stars game.

 

[McHunt]

Not can`t pass .
Prefers not to .

He did pass, and he also knocked back in a try assist. My criticism is he chooses dumb low percentage options in basic back line moves rather than let his winger try his luck.

 

[McHunt]

I'd have to agree that he should've done better in that instance.

Cows have a condensed sliding line, so the defence is always coming across to him if he cuts back in.

It looks like the play that's needed there is Herbie getting outside Hiku, which he looked to be well on his way to doing, brining Feldt into the tackle and then offloading to Oates... what I would say is that the play doesn't look like a simple draw and pass, where he just needs to keep running a line and eventually pass to Oates, because the sliding defence would just take Oates over the sideline.

It's one of those Lomax plays required here, where he has to end up taking the contact of Hiku and then offloading around Feldt coming in. Herbie is carrying with his left hand there, which is great to see, but it's not his natural carry from memory... so he may not be entirely comfortable with one handed flick passes using his weaker hand.

It's the issue associated with putting a natural right hand carry on the left hand side of the field.

Cobbo does have a natural left hand carry, which was why he was able to palm off two defenders before sprinting 80m in the All Stars game.

I wouldn't even mention it if it were a once or twice off, but this is what he kept doing in 2020 rather than looking to put his winger away. The thing about Oates is, you give him the ball and you let him figure out how to deal with the sideline defence. That's his specialty.

 

[Big Del]

He did pass, and he also knocked back in a try assist. My criticism is he chooses dumb low percentage options in basic back line moves rather than let his winger try his luck.

He can pass .
Even threw a cpl of bad offloads . But set up the winger with a pass , not his go to .

 

[McHunt]

Billy must have had a reasonable game, we're back to talking about how Herbie can't pass

No at all. What's the point? We only have two hookers deemed NRL ready. One starts; the other is on the bench. We've known that since Smoothy got relegated to development. About half of us here are saying "**** it" put Mozer on the bench now even though he's green (including me), the others are being more sensible.

 

[McHunt]

He can pass .
Even threw a cpl of bad offloads . But set up the winger with a pass , not his go to .

He's actually pretty damn good at "offloads" if anyone's there in support, but his routine draw and pass game is basic.

 

[Mr Fourex]

The arbitrary 6 again penalties still really grinds my gears........massively.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Very frustrating to see how many Cowboys drop-outs were not taken from the centre of the goal line, but rather from nearer one post. Especially, the 10m grubber. If the refs will be pedantic about a 20m restart position, they ought to also be strict in this way too, particularly when it opens the angle for the cross-field short restart. The rules are there for a reason.

The nrl will crack down on this... for one game, which just so happens to be a broncos game. CoInciDenCe

 

[Sproj]

Wouldn't this be an organized crime? Risky place to commit one on TV, with your criminal acts forensically examined by millions in slow motion, while expert commentators comb through the evidence.

But I mean, shit, it's possible. Just incredibly brazen. Suggest you gather your evidence and report them to ACIC.

You don't even have to go and spend that much time looking man. Just look at Annersley's justification conference every week and of course the Tigers v Cowboys result just last year.

 

[Evander]

I may be in the minority here but I would happily let Cobbo walk

Wake up

 

[Evander]

I really hope Staggs gets pushed out by next year for Mariner, Mariner will he better than him and we could save cap space by choosing Mariner over Staggs contract

 

[McHunt]

You don't even have to go and spend that much time looking man. Just look at Annersley's justification conference every week and of course the Tigers v Cowboys result just last year.

Humans make mistakes. Maybe even you.

 

[McHunt]

The arbitrary 6 again penalties still really grinds my gears........massively.

Any chance Kevvie is right about us needing to improve our discipline?

 

[Manofoneway]

I think this year we just need to have consistency in the hooker spot. Let Billy and paix continue to build their skills from last year. We had the most success last year with Billy starting and Paix coming off the bench. I have Tom Deardon PTSD when it comes to blooding a rookie too early..