Queensland Bulls Discussion - 2020/21

[Sproj]

The new Watto

But a better attitude.

 

[Bongo]

I hope he doesn't do a Smith and give up the bowling though, he swings it, cuts it and all at decent pace. He could be an opening bowler on top of being a gun bat. This kid has everything.

I like picking him as a batsman. Rather than putting the pressure on for both. Come in and focus holding a spot at 6. Then he can slowly get fit for bowling after establishing himself in the middle order and add that string to his bow.

 

[Bongo]

But a better attitude.

I heard watto was a hard trainer and got on well with everyone to the point of being well liked. Just couldnt do a review.

 

[Sproj]

I like picking him as a batsman. Rather than putting the pressure on for both. Come in and focus holding a spot at 6. Then he can slowly get fit for bowling after establishing himself in the middle order and add that string to his bow.

Yep I think this is what they will do as well.

 

[1910]

I'm still of the opinion Peter Nevill (FC av 37) is easily the best bat of the options we have. At 35 now he's less than no chance though.

It will come down to Carey or Philippe. Carey is more likely as he's been around the ODI and t20i sides and is more experienced. If I had to predict I would say he gets the gloves next but doesn't last long in the test side and is replaced by Phillippe.

I really like Sam Whiteman but I think he's no longer keeping for WA. His replacement Inglis, is good too. Being from WA I wouldn't rule either of them out long-term.

Can't see any other alternatives unless Paine sticks around for another couple years and a bolter comes through the pack.

Whiteman hasn’t kept since 2016 in the Shield.

 

[The True King]

Whiteman hasn’t kept since 2016 in the Shield.

I recall he had a serious finger injury but just assumed he was still capable. He had a lot of wraps on him coming through years ago and I recall him playing for Australia A.

That's really unfortunate. At 28yo his FC record isn't going to get him anywhere near the test side as an opening batsman.

 

[Sproj]

I recall he had a serious finger injury but just assumed he was still capable. He had a lot of wraps on him coming through years ago and I recall him playing for Australia A.

That's really unfortunate. At 28yo his FC record isn't going to get him anywhere near the test side as an opening batsman.

Normally for sure but at he moment, Australia has a serious lack of quality openers. If one of Warner or Burns were unavailable, he would certainly be under consideration.

 

[Sproj]

Matthew Kelly going the tonk, wonderful to watch. He's smashing Lyon and Sangha everywhere.

 

[Bongo]

Normally for sure but at he moment, Australia has a serious lack of quality openers. If one of Warner or Burns were unavailable, he would certainly be under consideration.

I like Renshaw. He looked good and I don't think he was actuallly run out in the first game. I know he has had a bad run of form since being dropped. I think he will bounce back and is still young. Khawaja is also good as an opener. Much better than middle order.

 

[Sproj]

I like Renshaw. He looked good and I don't think he was actuallly run out in the first game. I know he has had a bad run of form since being dropped. I think he will bounce back and is still young. Khawaja is also good as an opener. Much better than middle order.

Fair points but again, none of them are knocking the door down, they are all a bit of a wing and a prayer.

 

[The True King]

That knock from Green is pretty much impossible for the selectors to ignore. Throw in the fact that he can bowl too and he's basically the anointed one and going to be a media darling until he's picked.

I would only bring him in to bat at 6 and bowl as 5th choice. We need to go back to the days of bringing young kids through lower in the order and moving them around once established, the exception being openers. At this point Green has done far more to deserve a call up than Mitch Marsh ever did.

I'm with Bongo, I'd much rather see Renshaw get another crack than Whiteman. Maybe its a QLD bias but I really rate Bryce Street too, Khawaja less so.

 

[Bongo]

Fair points but again, none of them are knocking the door down, they are all a bit of a wing and a prayer.

Yes, . They both need to back it up with lots of runs.

 

[Sproj]

That knock from Green is pretty much impossible for the selectors to ignore. Throw in the fact that he can bowl too and he's basically the anointed one and going to be a media darling until he's picked.

I would only bring him in to bat at 6 and bowl as 5th choice. We need to go back to the days of bringing young kids through lower in the order and moving them around once established, the exception being openers. At this point Green has done far more to deserve a call up than Mitch Marsh ever did.

I'm with Bongo, I'd much rather see Renshaw get another crack than Whiteman. Maybe its a QLD bias but I really rate Bryce Street too, Khawaja less so.

Street definitely looks promising but again, got to back up last season and get better.

Green is an unteresting one. He is clearly already good enough as a bat alone but Head looks like he'll get a ton today as well in the second innings and has had a decent start to the season. The odd one out here is Wade? But he has scored recent test centuries. Then there is Solway who is really impressive as well. Great to have competition for spots.

 

[1910]

That knock from Green is pretty much impossible for the selectors to ignore. Throw in the fact that he can bowl too and he's basically the anointed one and going to be a media darling until he's picked.

I would only bring him in to bat at 6 and bowl as 5th choice. We need to go back to the days of bringing young kids through lower in the order and moving them around once established, the exception being openers. At this point Green has done far more to deserve a call up than Mitch Marsh ever did.

I'm with Bongo, I'd much rather see Renshaw get another crack than Whiteman. Maybe its a QLD bias but I really rate Bryce Street too, Khawaja less so.

He can't bowl- He's only doing walk through bowling now with the Warriors staff, he hasn't bowled since the game against the Bulls 12 months ago and hasn't been cleared to bowl.

 

[Medic]

I wonder if green will ever bowl again ( i know he's young) just wouldn't be surprised if he ended up committing to being just a batsman.

 

[ZTop]

That knock from Kelly is ludicrous, 70 of his 89 runs were off boundaries. He faced 89 balls as well, so 14 scoring shots took up pretty much all of his runs

 

[BroncsFan]

I like Renshaw. He looked good and I don't think he was actuallly run out in the first game. I know he has had a bad run of form since being dropped. I think he will bounce back and is still young. Khawaja is also good as an opener. Much better than middle order.

The issue with Renshaw is the media started pushing that he needed to be more aggressive.

When he first came onto the test scene he was pretty well aware of his game and it was perfect opening bat play... against the pace he knew exactly where off stump was and left everything outside or over it, but anything that came on his pads or down leg was punished.

It was perfect play to see off the new ball and protect the middle order, but resulted in a slow strike rate (it was old school opening bat play). Against the spin he's always looked very competent, he's comfortable coming down the wicket and seems to rotate the strike well, which is unusual for an opener.

So what we had was an opener that could see off the new ball to protect the middle order, score runs on the leg side off bad balls and then pick up the scoring when the spinners come on. He also showed in his short run of tests that he had the temperament to play looong innings... but the media weren't happy because Warner's down the other end picking runs off for fun and Renshaw is getting in the way by not rotating strike.

They basically demanded that he open up his offside game and start scoring runs off those balls outside off and ever since then it seems like he is prone to nicking behind. He's now uncertain about the balls outside his off stump which was his best attribute.

He's still young though and still punishes the spin... I think when covid things slow down he should follow Marnus' lead and head to county cricket, and really just focus on his long format game... I dont think he has what it takes to be a limited overs specialist just yet, but he may become one as he matures. He can be out of the spotlight in county cricket and get back that ability to leave outside his off stump against the hardest pace conditions in the world.

As he gets older and more mature he can also tell those fuckwits in the media to pipe down about his offside game and let it come naturally without compromising his best assets to play as an opening batsman

 

[The True King]

He can't bowl- He's only doing walk through bowling now with the Warriors staff, he hasn't bowled since the game against the Bulls 12 months ago and hasn't been cleared to bowl.

Don't let that get in the way of the press love affair that is about to ensue. His wiki and cricinfo bio's both list him as an all-rounder which is more than enough for journo's to run with.

@BroncsFan Great post and agree 100%. One of the things I have absolutely hated is watching Renshaw try adapt his game to t20 too. He had such great discipline, shot selection and technique for long form cricket that it just irked me the wrong way seeing him trying to slog and score quickly. Unfortunately with the money in respective t20 comps around the world it's unlikely we see many pure test players but I felt he could have been one.