POST GAME Round 10 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos

[holdzy]

Ouch.

Time for Unbreakable to break in a alias account. He can use one of mine if he wants. I'll give him Big Pete

Are you David Mead or Andrew Voss?

 

[rnabokov]

I'm still confused about the interpretation of the Moga No Try decision.

So basically it would have been perfectly fine if Thaiday had have made more of an effort to run towards the posts. However, contact would never have been made if Cherry-Evans had have made a genuine attempt at Boyd instead of grabbing onto Sam and propelling himself to the ground.

The problem is that last night was not a black and white situation and if defenders are smart, they'll do whatever they can to position the block player as an obstruction which is rubbish.

And that problem is, as others have observed incl. Bennett, coaches will exploit the "flaw" in the rule so that it becomes a joke, and sadly, ruining effective attacking formations.

 

[broncos4life]

Trent Barrett claims the tackle on Trbojevic cost them the game and that Manly would have won if it didn't happen.

Delusional. Where did he say this btw?

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Delusional. Where did he say this btw?

This is from his press conference.

"It's dangerous. He could be gone for the year, I don't know,"
"Not only has it cost us a game but it costs us one of our best players.
"If it was on the full and he was in the air that doesn't happen or it's a penalty and it's a no try and we probably win.
"It's going to rarely happen but the game ain't black and white. There's a lot of grey areas in it. That one, I think if it was disallowed I don't think too many people would have said much to be honest."
"It is a funny one because he's tackled in the air but it's bounced; what's the difference? I don't write the rule book but he's pretty badly hurt."

 

[ZTop]

Unbreakable mentioned in the live thread last about the pronunciation of Moga. His name used to be pronounced Monga. Does anyone know why the pronunciation changed

 

[Unbreakable]

Unbreakable mentioned in the live thread last about the pronunciation of Moga. His name used to be pronounced Monga. Does anyone know why the pronunciation changed

It happens quite regularly with Polynesian players. Whether it's because commentators were pronouncing it wrong originally or the player decided they preferred an alternate pronunciation.

We've even seen it this year with James Gavet, who has always been "Gav - Ay" up until this year, when he asked to be called "Gav - It".

 

[Wolfie]

Its funny Barret didnt mention their blatant forward pass try.

 

[holdzy]

Its funny Barret didnt mention their blatant forward pass try.

Totally out of form for losing coaches...

 

[Bucking Beads]

They don't get much better than that.

First we see the cheats lose in the last minutes, while getting 38 put on them. Then we take the fucking Manly scum (no offense to you @meady ) down, and make the prancy DCE diva and Barrett cry.

P.S. The win came easy, as they ran out of puff once we blew their Turbo... :devil:

It was a great night. Two really good games of footy. Got hammered though. Boy did I have fun. The most fun I've had at the footy ever.

 

[winslow_wong]

edit: Please don't use that particular word

 

[tommy]

The post match press conferences would be so much better if both coaches were in there at the same time. The journos would definitely get more stories then. Imagine Bellamy and Stuart after a controversial game.

 

[Broncos Maestro]

The post match press conferences would be so much better if both coaches were in there at the same time. The journos would definitely get more stories then. Imagine Bellamy and Stuart after a controversial game.

I'll pay to see that!!

 

[Dexter]

I'm still confused about the interpretation of the Moga No Try decision.

So basically it would have been perfectly fine if Thaiday had have made more of an effort to run towards the posts. However, contact would never have been made if Cherry-Evans had have made a genuine attempt at Boyd instead of grabbing onto Sam and propelling himself to the ground.

The problem is that last night was not a black and white situation and if defenders are smart, they'll do whatever they can to position the block player as an obstruction which is rubbish.

I thought they got it right, BP, Thaiday was not running at the inside shoulder and gave DCE the chance to hold and turn slightly out. He was beaten no doubt but also smart enough to realise the situation and play the rule.

I also agree 100% with Barrett about the confusing grey area around Turbo Toms injury. It is dangerous to tackle someone in the air, it should not matter how the ball got there.
Don't get me wrong though if that's the rule then they called it right but it probably needs to be changed.
As far as Barrett claiming it cost them the match I reckon that's 95% BS. We had them at that stage.

 

[Splinter]

I thought they got it right, BP, Thaiday was not running at the inside shoulder and gave DCE the chance to hold and turn slightly out. He was beaten no doubt but also smart enough to realise the situation and play the rule.

I also agree 100% with Barrett about the confusing grey area around Turbo Toms injury. It is dangerous to tackle someone in the air, it should not matter how the ball got there.
Don't get me wrong though if that's the rule then they called it right but it probably needs to be changed.
As far as Barrett claiming it cost them the match I reckon that's 95% BS. We had them at that stage.

How far do you take it though? Do we also say you cannot tackle an attacking player in the air. Unfortunately injuries happen and if Turbo or Uate had the balls to take the ball on the full it would not have happened. It is not like they didn't have time.

 

[meady]

Yeah how far do you take that rule?

Player A could throws a deadset hospital pass to Player B who has to jump up and take it and be absolutely thumped mid air.

There would be alot of scenarios in which a player grabs the ball with both feet off the ground

 

[Morkel]

Agreed.

Terrible decision and great to see the bull-shit call out in force at Lang Park for it.

They should be binning players like DCE who do this professional foul play, not taking tries off the opposing teams.

WB summed it up:

"everybody will be doing it in the next two months. It's about (staying on) the inside shoulder line but Sam started on his inside shoulder. He (Cherry-Evans) changed his line. If he just stayed on his line then Sam wouldn't have (collided).

You just can't get tapped like he did there and fall over backwards. It was obviously deliberate. He realised he had made the wrong decision defensively....we have officials in the game who need to make decisions and see that and say it's not acceptable"

https://www.nrl.com/bennett-to-question-officials-on-diving/tabid/10874/newsid/106742/default.aspx

It would surprise no one to know that a team has already tried to exploit this. And it was, ding ding ding, Manly. Probably 3 or 4 years ago, a game in the first round of the season had a controversial try given, which saw media outrage and a mandate from the refs that all contact by decoys would result in a penalty for obstruction. For the first 4 or 5 games of the season, Manly milked it at every chance. Like, literally 3-4 times a game. As soon as there was a single decoy runner, the Manly defender would deliberately run it to them and fall over, and, due to the ruling at the time, the opposing team were penalised every time. Jamie Lyon revelled in it.

It's why the brought in the rules for (1) who instigates the contact, and (2) whether the ball was caught on the inside or outside shoulder of the decoy. I have a feeling that, because everyone knows DCE dived, the refs will be pretty reasonable with it. In fact, precedent has been set that deliberate diving due to making a poor read will not be tolerated.

Had it been given a try, and certain sections of the media had a teary, then yeah, we'd be seeing a heap of those pulled up from now on.

How far do you take it though? Do we also say you cannot tackle an attacking player in the air. Unfortunately injuries happen and if Turbo or Uate had the balls to take the ball on the full it would not have happened. It is not like they didn't have time.

Someone said it last night - could an attacking runner jump as they get to the defensive line and then immediately receive a penalty when contact is made? Remember, the rule only applies to a defending player - an attacking player can be tackled in mid-air and unless they are put in a dangerous position it won't be penalised.

The reason for this is because normally the defending player will be on the spot, or close to it, and jumping almost vertically, if it's being caught on the full. Meaning the attacking players get a run-up and the defending player is a sitting duck. If the ball bounces, it means the defender was not on the spot, they'd be in motion like an attacking player would, meaning they're less likely to be an easy target for a cheap shot mid-air.

Correct call and I believe the rules are fair too.

 

[Dexter]

How far do you take it though? Do we also say you cannot tackle an attacking player in the air. Unfortunately injuries happen and if Turbo or Uate had the balls to take the ball on the full it would not have happened. It is not like they didn't have time.

That is the question isn't it. If player safety is the dominant factor then you should not be able to tackle someone in the air. Last night is the perfect example why. It has nothing to do with someone having the balls to catch it on the full.

It's a bit like being able to shoulder charge in attack but getting suspended for doing it in defence. I agree you can't protect every situation but it doesn't make sense that you can tackle someone in the air if the ball bounces.

 

[Porthoz]

I thought they got it right, BP, Thaiday was not running at the inside shoulder and gave DCE the chance to hold and turn slightly out. He was beaten no doubt but also smart enough to realise the situation and play the rule.

I also agree 100% with Barrett about the confusing grey area around Turbo Toms injury. It is dangerous to tackle someone in the air, it should not matter how the ball got there.
Don't get me wrong though if that's the rule then they called it right but it probably needs to be changed.
As far as Barrett claiming it cost them the match I reckon that's 95% BS. We had them at that stage.

Disagree 100%

A dive like that, regardless of where the contact took place, should not be rewarded, end of!

As to Turbo, that is very unfortunate and rare, but where do we draw the line? Next we're gonna have players unnecessarily jumping to catch passes and draw a penalty...

Blatant theatrics need to be punished properly before we change rules which will draw more "artistic diving".