POST GAME [Round 12, 2023] Broncos vs Panthers

[Super Freak]

Ball and right shoulder is positioned behind his head on first grounding and then both are in front of his head due to promoting the ball over the try line... he's then instantly tackled by a player so momentum doesn't get him there before he's held up anyway

He's still moving forward as he promotes it, Madden's tackle wasn't enough to stop him in his tracks.

 

[BroncsFan]

We always get the Warriors during Origin and without our rep players normally get beaten. Funny how we never get the Chooks or Souths with both teams missing rep players....

Have you seen cows draw

Parra rd 13
Storm rd 14 (Sunday after origin)
Bye rd 15
Panthers rd 16 (during origin... no Cleary, Yeo, etc.)
Souths Rd 17 (week after origin... Latrell and co backing up)
Tigers Rd 18 (at home and completely unaffected by origin... for them)
Bye rd 19

Parra in rd 13 is literally their most disadvantaged game throughout the entire period...

Jeez... they must get 'lucky' with their 'draw'

 

[pennywisealfie]

I can't be mad at that, we were all effort. We made mistakes but only because we were trying things against as solid of a defense that I've seen. Their first try was a double movement and we had two tries taken off us. Seems we get looked at as harshly as possible while other teams get benefit of the doubt.

 

[Fitzy]

It’s like WWE. Watch it purely for the spectacle and entertainment value but the entire thing is fake.

Either through design or absolute ineptitude, the only thing that decides NRL games these days is not the players, it’s the ref.

Unscrutinised 6 agains for ???, rules / interpretations made up on the spot, other rules completely ignored, infractions selectively pulled up, absolute and total inconsistency and regular sin binning for absolutely nothing ensure every game is just a lucky dip and nothing more.

being the better team means nothing. There’s zero correlation between playing well and winning anymore. It’s totally and completely random.

The on-field referee marking a farce of the bunker system by interfering and overruling is one thing, but the rational for overturning the decision was ‘I don’t like the look of that’ or words to that affect. Who cares what it ‘looks like’.. apply the damn rules. This whole sport is so broken.

I think they made a massive mistake again tonight but I’m sorry we didn’t lose because of the ref we lost because we were bang average. The deserved team won and whilst that needs investigating that situation the deserved team definitely won tonight.

 

[Mustafur]

While I don't mind Walsh doing the shorter kicks because I think he is not far off Reyno in that regard, Madden should have been doing the bulk of the kicking tonight, he has a good boot on him and kicked pretty well, but it was nearly a 50/50 share with Walsh who is a bit hit and miss on the bigger kicks.

Most of us highlighted this at the start of the week that Madden needed to take control, I felt he played well regardless but the kicking he needed to take alot more control, he can send the ball much further up the field more consistently(I think given Mam had no kicking involvement it was clearly a coaching direction).

Mam had basically no kicking in this game and while his decisions are generally pretty terrible on last kick options Madden should have been given more control by the coaching staff, he made it clear in this game he is a much better 7 than a 6.

 

[BroncsFan]

His name is Tyson Frizelle. Off Contract and can be signed today for 2024.

I'd take Frizzel, but play him as a middle off the bench... not sure he'd be keen on the pay packet that comes with that kind of role though

 

[BroncsFan]

Can I just say how good it was when riki got fired up towards the end and just started legally belting anyone wearing black.

We need to find a way to get him in that mindset constantly...

He also got us a penalty by starting a fight for 'tackling too hard'... might've been our first ever!!

 

[BroncsFan]

We seriously need to start looking at our long term plans for playmakers because without Reyno in the side, we're hopeless in attack. Mam is definitely not a controlling half and Madden is next to useless. Penrith knew we wouldn't have many points in us tonight and played as such. They fully intended to just come to Suncorp and take the 2 points home. Still not sure why Reyno didn't play, he looked fine to me sitting on the sideline.

We're going to need a big statement performance next week to put us back on the map in the competition race. We can't go into Origin season with nothing but losses. It's a recipe for disaster.

If we have Reynolds, Flegler and Walsh next week then we might be a chance... we're losing a shit ton to origin, but if Billy picks Flegler and then chucks Walsh in the 18 jersey... we fucked

 

[Mustafur]

I'd take Frizzel, but play him as a middle off the bench... not sure he'd be keen on the pay packet that comes with that kind of role though

too injury prone for me.

 

[BroncsFan]

He's still moving forward as he promotes it, Madden's tackle wasn't enough to stop him in his tracks.

Your stills don't show him getting tackled straight away... can't be guaranteed that momentum gets him there when his upper body is tackled and then driven out of play.

His upper chest on the left side is behind the line in your second still... that's where the ball was... Staggs is in the frame to tackle him a split second later.

To suggest he's definitely scoring or momentum is getting him there, without promoting the ball, is a tough sell. Given it's 50/50 (at best) and he's clearly promoted the ball, it shouldn't be rewarded with a try.

 

[Brocko]

If the double movement was at the other end and say it was Cobbo trying to score, no way it's given.

Also, the media would implode if it was.

 

[BroncsFan]

too injury prone for me.

I think he'd be handy as a middle off the bench doing 30-40mins.. like Taupau is doing. I think he'd bring a lot of impact to the team.

Unfortunately that kind of role is like $250-300k tops... and he'd be on $600k at knights... I feel like there's teams out there :::cough tigers cough:::: who would offer him more to keep playing as an 80min edge forward (even though he can't really do it anymore).

OR a team like sharks could offer him $250k for the same role and he'd go there, given it's his old club, he's in a top 4 team and he doesn't have to leave Sydney.

 

[Mustafur]

Your stills don't show him getting tackled straight away... can't be guaranteed that momentum gets him there when he's upper body is tackled and then driven out of play.

His upper chest on the left side is behind the line in your second still... that's where the ball was... Staggs is in the frame to tackle him a split second later.

To suggest he's definitely scoring or momentum is getting him there, without promoting the ball, is a tough sell. Given it's 50/50 (at best) and he's clearly promoted the ball, it shouldn't be rewarded with a try.

I just look at where the ball was and where that part of the body is when he goes for the try and see a clear no try, he promoted that while a player was holding him, sure his body moved forward but not enough for where the line was to where he stopped.

 

[Mustafur]

I think he'd be handy as a middle off the bench doing 30-40mins.. like Taupau is doing. I think he'd bring a lot of impact to the team.

Unfortunately that kind of role is like $250-300k tops... and he'd be on $600k at knights... I feel like there's teams out there :::cough tigers cough:::: who would offer him more to keep playing as an 80min edge forward (even though he can't really do it anymore).

OR a team like sharks could offer him $250k for the same role and he'd go there, given it's his old club, he's in a top 4 team and he doesn't have to leave Sydney.

expensive NSW player it wouldn't work, I think what we need is what we lost, Hosking would have been perfect.

we need a hidden gem backrower to play as Capewells rotation imo, and hopefully better and capewell can rotate with him.

We are not even paying that much for capewell, and he is a big moment player with good leadership we still need him.

 

[BroncsFan]

17 should be an edge for Capewell rotation imo, but we are weak as **** for options there, if we kept Hosking and used him for that we would be soo sorted right now.

The Robati situation has hurt us as well, who we haven't replaced.

Yep... I've been saying for awhile that Piakura should be getting groomed into that kind of role.

Play Capes for 30mins then bring Piakura on to play out the game... Capes then becomes a utility off the bench for injuries or you figure out a way to bring him into the middle rotation.

At some point we either need to get some value out of Piakura or what was the point of signing him in the first place.

 

[Mustafur]

Yep... I've been saying for awhile that Piakura should be getting groomed into that kind of role.

Play Capes for 30mins then bring Piakura on to play out the game... Capes then becomes a utility off the bench for injuries or you figure out a way to bring him into the middle rotation.

At some point we either need to get some value out of Piakura or what was the point of signing him in the first place.

I think it's 50 mins for Capewell where he still fully effective, Penrith game shows that, saved a Crichton try at the 49th min that we blew with the middle not moving the line over after.

if your benching an edge a bit after the 2nd half starts will get the most out of the freshness advantage from what I can see.

 

[marw]

I think they made a massive mistake again tonight but I’m sorry we didn’t lose because of the ref we lost because we were bang average. The deserved team won and whilst that needs investigating that situation the deserved team definitely won tonight.

You are right by saying the better team won but to say we were bang average I don't know what game you were watching.

 

[BroncsFan]

I just look at where the ball was and where that part of the body is when he goes for the try and see a clear no try, he promoted that while a player was holding him, sure his body moved forward but not enough for where the line was to where he stopped.

to be honest you can't really tell where the momentum would put him after he's promoted the ball given he's tackled straight away.

His entire right side is promoted forward from where he initially grounded the ball.. given his stomach / lower rib cage (the only parts not promoted) didn't get over the line before being tackled I don't see how it can be rewarded... they're simply rewarded a promotion of the ball after being tackled... are we playing union now??