POST GAME Round 12 - Broncos vs Sharks

[Super Freak]

This thread isn't going to be turned into another shit fight over the same thing as last time.

This is the only warning. Thread bans will follow if it continues after this.

 

[Wolfie]

Hahahaha so defensive. Wowee talk about chucking your toys out of the cot. “Smart people like me“ your arrogance is truely shown what loser calls themselves smart. Again with the kids comments mate leave it alone.

I wasnt being serious. Calm down.
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This thread isn't going to be turned into another shit fight over the same thing as last time.

This is the only warning. Thread bans will follow if it continues after this.

He or she probably shouldnt have tried to be a smartarse by trying to drag up Tolman again if he or she cant handle a bit of banter.

 

[bronx89]

I wasnt being serious. Calm down.

Good, so let’s have a discussion about potential suitable players we could target that fits the bill you mentioned above?

 

[Huge]

I rate a lot of our forwards BP. Carrigan, Haas, Bullemor, Flegler, TPJ and Lodge, they have a lot of upside. I feel personally we need a reliable workhorse prop who has a bit of know how and like i mentioned before, can do the grunt work and keep turning up. Tolman is the only off contract prop i can see that would fit the bill for us.

I do wonder at times if our bench rotation is more down to how the coach deploys it rather than the players not being good enough.

I think your last line is pretty close. I believe that a bench needs two workhorses and one big guy who can be a little creative plus your utility. The problem I see is we have our creative guys on a bit too early. Whether Haas and TPJ should be used as battering rams is debatable. I'd either drop Haas back to second row and get Flegler, Kennedy, Carrigan or Offa up front for the opening twenty OR leave Haas on the bench for the same period and then have him come on in his usual role. I'd even be in favour of having TPJ sit by his side.

We just need to use our backups more effectively and I've always been a fan of the notion that when you install new batteries your torch glows stronger. At the moment that 'torch' dims a little.

 

[Big Pete]

I rate a lot of our forwards BP. Carrigan, Haas, Bullemor, Flegler, TPJ and Lodge, they have a lot of upside. I feel personally we need a reliable workhorse prop who has a bit of know how and like i mentioned before, can do the grunt work and keep turning up. Tolman is the only off contract prop i can see that would fit the bill for us.

I do wonder at times if our bench rotation is more down to how the coach deploys it rather than the players not being good enough.

I know which is why I said some of our forwards, namely those who didn't seem to make your list and don't seem capable of playing long minutes. Players a certain coach may have coached in the past and decided after every other coach passed on them for 7 years may have something to offer.

 

[Wolfie]

I know which is why I said some of our forwards, namely those who didn't seem to make your list and don't seem capable of playing long minutes. Players a certain coach may have coached in the past and decided after every other coach passed on them for 7 years may have something to offer.

I think Kennedy could play long minutes, and Glenn, who i am a huge fan of, he is more than capable as well. Cant think of any others really we have left! I didn't deliberately leave any out of my list. Joffa i expected to kick on but he seems to have gone backwards since he played Origin last year.

 

[Xzei]

Not sure if you a referring to Kennedy or not I think in his limited time he hasn't gone too bad pretty steady.

 

[Big Pete]

I think Kennedy could play long minutes

Not sure if you a referring to Kennedy or not I think in his limited time he hasn't gone too bad pretty steady.

Can you name one performance where you've thought "geez why isn't Kennedy still out there?" The only time I've noticed his absence was against Melbourne and that was because he didn't make it onto the field until the game was well and truly lost. It just made me think it was such a waste to have a 'developed' front rower when Bullemor could have received that time.

Granted, I can see the steady observation. He usually does come on and produce a couple of solid carries. However if you pay close attention, he drifts out of the contest rather quickly and his defence is very sloppy. He doesn't necessarily miss tackles, but he loses them and usually finds himself out of position for the next play.

He tries hard which is what I think people notice, but he isn't what the Broncos need. They've put them under all sorts with their bench because they haven't gone that mix right. They need that middle forward who can play long minutes, they need a mobile one that can play middle or edge comfortably and they need that edge backrow who can play backs if need be. Ideally you'd have a dummy half that can play 80 in this day and age, but with Turpin's run of injuries it's in their best interest to carry a dummy half.

The way it is, they've got three players who can barely get through 20 minutes.

 

[Xzei]

Can you name one performance where you've thought "geez why isn't Kennedy still out there?" The only time I've noticed his absence was against Melbourne and that was because he didn't make it onto the field until the game was well and truly lost. It just made me think it was such a waste to have a 'developed' front rower when Bullemor could have received that time.

Granted, I can see the steady observation. He usually does come on and produce a couple of solid carries. However if you pay close attention, he drifts out of the contest rather quickly and his defence is very sloppy. He doesn't necessarily miss tackles, but he loses them and usually finds himself out of position for the next play.

He tries hard which is what I think people notice, but he isn't what the Broncos need. They've put them under all sorts with their bench because they haven't gone that mix right. They need that middle forward who can play long minutes, they need a mobile one that can play middle or edge comfortably and they need that edge backrow who can play backs if need be. Ideally you'd have a dummy half that can play 80 in this day and age, but with Turpin's run of injuries it's in their best interest to carry a dummy half.

The way it is, they've got three players who can barely get through 20 minutes.

There hasn't been a game where I thought damn Kennedy lost that one for us.i was more of a fan of the rotation when TPJ started in the front row and finished it on the left edge bulldogs game I think it was.Bullemor for me looks small,there are plenty on here including yourself that have watched him play that I'll happily listen to when it comes to him but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a run in the second row with Glenn out and fifita of to the titans.

 

[Huge]

Can you name one performance where you've thought "geez why isn't Kennedy still out there?" The only time I've noticed his absence was against Melbourne and that was because he didn't make it onto the field until the game was well and truly lost. It just made me think it was such a waste to have a 'developed' front rower when Bullemor could have received that time.

Granted, I can see the steady observation. He usually does come on and produce a couple of solid carries. However if you pay close attention, he drifts out of the contest rather quickly and his defence is very sloppy. He doesn't necessarily miss tackles, but he loses them and usually finds himself out of position for the next play.

He tries hard which is what I think people notice, but he isn't what the Broncos need. They've put them under all sorts with their bench because they haven't gone that mix right. They need that middle forward who can play long minutes, they need a mobile one that can play middle or edge comfortably and they need that edge backrow who can play backs if need be. Ideally you'd have a dummy half that can play 80 in this day and age, but with Turpin's run of injuries it's in their best interest to carry a dummy half.

The way it is, they've got three players who can barely get through 20 minutes.

I kind of agree or at least in part. As I've said I'd take Kennedy and Joffa's best minures and use them up first. I think Haas, Flegs and TPJ's best work is wasted at the start of a match. Yes, I know there's a counter argument but Kennedy and Offa could have the simplest task and we could use them purely as battering rams for the first 15-20 to blunt the attack.

Even if they could simply match the go forward for a while it'd be a bonus and I think it might help them with their rhythm, have them in the moment so to speak. It would surely be a better use of their somewhat limited skill sets. Well better than what we've seen so far. I'd love to see Haas, TPJ and Flegs come into a game at that 15-20 minutes mark.

I'd at least trial it because I don't believe we're getting the best out of them as starters. Both Haas and TPJ running a bit wider with Dearden, Boyd, Paix following them around would be productive. At the moment we're doing the same thing over and over and it hasn't really been a success.

 

[Big Pete]

There hasn't been a game where I thought damn Kennedy lost that one for us.i was more of a fan of the rotation when TPJ started in the front row and finished it on the left edge bulldogs game I think it was.Bullemor for me looks small,there are plenty on here including yourself that have watched him play that I'll happily listen to when it comes to him but I wouldn't mind seeing him get a run in the second row with Glenn out and fifita of to the titans.

It's difficult to have that amount of influence in such a short space of time.

It's a shame the State Leagues have been abandoned because it's really put a dint in Bullemor's progression. I like him as a prospect but even at State level he was being protected by the Norths coach, averaging only 36 minutes as a bench player. Bullemor was called up before his time, Riki was the player that was set to come in (and of the two is the more likely Fifita replacement). However, if they're just giving players minutes when the game is over, then they may as well give that time to Bullemor than Kennedy. I couldn't imagine how Rhys would have felt waiting until the 67th minute to get a go, what an absolute waste.

I was surprised Seibs didn't put Bullemor on the edge against Cronulla. It certainly would have made for better balance and Ethan has shown he can handle 30 minutes out-wide no problem.

I kind of agree or at least in part. As I've said I'd take Kennedy and Joffa's best minures and use them up first. I think Haas, Flegs and TPJ's best work is wasted at the start of a match. Yes, I know there's a counter argument but Kennedy and Offa could have the simplest task and we could use them purely as battering rams for the first 15-20 to blunt the attack.

I get the impression Seibold is out of ideas and will look towards his returning players to help lift the team. There is going to be a mountain of expectations on Fifita's return game and if he doesn't deliver a 10/10 performance I expect more tears than usual to be shed. He doesn't strike me as somebody who can give his players clear instructions and inspire them to surpass their limitations.

 

[Huge]

It's difficult to have that amount of influence in such a short space of time.

It's a shame the State Leagues have been abandoned because it's really put a dint in Bullemor's progression. I like him as a prospect but even at State level he was being protected by the Norths coach, averaging only 36 minutes as a bench player. Bullemor was called up before his time, Riki was the player that was set to come in (and of the two is the more likely Fifita replacement). However, if they're just giving players minutes when the game is over, then they may as well give that time to Bullemor than Kennedy. I couldn't imagine how Rhys would have felt waiting until the 67th minute to get a go, what an absolute waste.

I was surprised Seibs didn't put Bullemor on the edge against Cronulla. It certainly would have made for better balance and Ethan has shown he can handle 30 minutes out-wide no problem.



I get the impression Seibold is out of ideas and will look towards his returning players to help lift the team. There is going to be a mountain of expectations on Fifita's return game and if he doesn't deliver a 10/10 performance I expect more tears than usual to be shed. He doesn't strike me as somebody who can give his players clear instructions and inspire them to surpass their limitations.

Must agree. I've got a few gripes about Fat Tony. Nothing new, no change from BennettBall (and really an inferior version of that) poor selections, Milford not given some bench time or dropped to send a message, extremely poor bench use, apparently rigidly adhering to clipboard timetable changes, poor commentary in after game pressers without calling a spade a spade and most of all, taking a genuine top 4 side to the wooden spoon because sure as shit the Dogs will win another game. I honestly believe an afl coach with a scant knowledge of rugby league would have done better.

 

[Mustafur]

Adam Elliot from the dogs would be an excellent signing, might be a bit expensive for us with our cap though.

A proper workhorse player that goes hard till the end, would be a good player to have in the forwards.

 

[Wolfie]

Can you name one performance where you've thought "geez why isn't Kennedy still out there?" The only time I've noticed his absence was against Melbourne and that was because he didn't make it onto the field until the game was well and truly lost. It just made me think it was such a waste to have a 'developed' front rower when Bullemor could have received that time.

Granted, I can see the steady observation. He usually does come on and produce a couple of solid carries. However if you pay close attention, he drifts out of the contest rather quickly and his defence is very sloppy. He doesn't necessarily miss tackles, but he loses them and usually finds himself out of position for the next play.

He tries hard which is what I think people notice, but he isn't what the Broncos need. They've put them under all sorts with their bench because they haven't gone that mix right. They need that middle forward who can play long minutes, they need a mobile one that can play middle or edge comfortably and they need that edge backrow who can play backs if need be. Ideally you'd have a dummy half that can play 80 in this day and age, but with Turpin's run of injuries it's in their best interest to carry a dummy half.

The way it is, they've got three players who can barely get through 20 minutes.

Cant disagree with any of that to be honest mate.

 

[Kooly87]

I think Kennedy could play long minutes, and Glenn, who i am a huge fan of, he is more than capable as well. Cant think of any others really we have left! I didn't deliberately leave any out of my list. Joffa i expected to kick on but he seems to have gone backwards since he played Origin last year.

Interesting to bring up Origin for Joffa. For me that's the only role (coming off the Bench and playing the middle 45-50 minutes) I think he really excels in.

That does make him extremely one dimensional in what he brings to the side because he isn't really much chop in any other capacity, but that one dimension he does happen to be pretty good at. Essentially he can be that big minute guy off the Bench and largely to what Tolman or even Rudolf do, but we just have to leave him in that role and not let him drift outside of it.

 

[WASSHHH]

Interesting to bring up Origin for Joffa. For me that's the only role (coming off the Bench and playing the middle 45-50 minutes) I think he really excels in.

That does make him extremely one dimensional in what he brings to the side because he isn't really much chop in any other capacity, but that one dimension he does happen to be pretty good at. Essentially he can be that big minute guy off the Bench and largely to what Tolman or even Rudolf do, but we just have to leave him in that role and not let him drift outside of it.

I get the impression he’s not particularly bright.

Writing “run, tackle, breathe” on his strapping is likely the only way he’ll stick to the plan.

 

[Allo]

Haven’t seen it brought up, but if it has my apologies. Regarding the bench discussion, I went back and looked at the interchanges to see why Luke was put back on after his HIA with 15 to go. Not only did we concede 3 tries in that time (not saying it was a direct result of Luke being on), but we had only used 6 interchanges. Turpin coming back from injury I understand a bit of caution, but Turps being off the field is not good for us in general.

Couple that with the combined 30 minutes for Kennedy and Bullemor and it’s baffling how bad Seibold’s bench rotation is.

To argue the other side which BP kind of did, if he played either or both for longer minutes and they ended up costing us the game through errors or defensive lapses, then I can understand the restrictions, but you’ve got players there - use them ffs. Particularly with Lodge still out. The only way, especially this season, you’ll know if players can handle longer minutes is to give them longer minutes.

It’s not like it’ll risk losing a premiership or anything

 

[winslow_wong]

Its dangerous talk to even consider any of it an improvement in reality. Thats how you stay mediocre. We collapse under pressure week in, week out. We need to get that fixed up. That and sack the fraud of a coach we have.

We’ve been collapsing since the 2015 gf... just can’t seem to shake those demons [emoji24]