Round 13 - Canberra vs. Broncos - Post Match Discussion

[rnabokov]

I dont care that he slipped. What I do care about is watching him give up on plays that lead to 2 other tries. Thats half the reason why we are in this **** because the players obviously think they are better than what they are. Too afraid to work.

It's one thing to make everything simple, another to over simplify.

Gillett did slip when he sprinted out of the flat footed defensive line. Yes, a mistake. The grass should have been dry and/or he should have worn 6 inch spikes but in any case, we know he does that and a lot of the time it is very effective.

At the same time, one would think that as soon as one or more defenders see him do that, you would think that they would move to cover the hole he leaves - move forward and to the relevant side.

The 2nd try was clever work by the Raiders. They saw Kahu was fucked, they saw Norman way out of range to cover, Hodges moved (the wrong way) instead of waiting to see which way the dummy half would move and there should have been a 2nd marker on the short blind anyway. Gillett was exposed, a back rower marking possibly the fastest winger in the game.

An oversimplified scapegoating of players is way too easy - and you also conveniently forgot he scored a great try

 

[pennywisealfie]

buddy, I'm not into arguing about this, go watch the tries again. I'm not even talking about the one where he slipped. Its a try that was scored down the wing, he looked like he didnt give a ****.

 

[noisetheory]

buddy, I'm not into arguing about this, go watch the tries again. I'm not even talking about the one where he slipped. Its a try that was scored down the wing, he looked like he didnt give a ****.

ive never been so dirty/disappointed in a try that was scored on us. there were two or three guys who were initially back that put no effort into chasing the play. if they had of done so they would of covered it off so easily.

 

[Renegade]

For me, one of the most telling things is Thaiday trying to get into HB and create something, that shows the frustration with the playmaking and the chances (or there lackof) they are creating.

I suppose, at least Thaidays kick didn't roll dead for a 20m restart so he's already doing better than Wallace.

 

[rnabokov]

buddy, I'm not into arguing about this, go watch the tries again. I'm not even talking about the one where he slipped. Its a try that was scored down the wing, he looked like he didnt give a ****.

I have. Why is a back rower doing defending the fastest winger in the game? Where is the defensive line structure?

By your logic, we should have Hoffman and Kahu defending up the middle

 

[Son Edo]

Re: Round 13 - Canberra vs. Broncos - Post Match Discussio

Despite losing, I still think we need to give praise to Parker. Backed up a great Origin with a monster effort here.

Yeah I haven't seen him play any better, Corey. I know it's hard to break into that origin team but he wouldn't let anyone down, he's been outstanding in our team over the last 6 weeks, he's been good all year but especially in the last 5 to 6 weeks he's just been outstanding. And I'd like to see him rewarded for that but I know deep down he would have a real satisfaction about what he's doing and how this teams playing at the moment.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Our kick chase has been ordinary for a while now. It really kills us. Defence is our biggest problem at the moment.

 

[pennywisealfie]

I have. Why is a back rower doing defending the fastest winger in the game? Where is the defensive line structure?

By your logic, we should have Hoffman and Kahu defending up the middle

I dunno man, I'm not Hook. What I do know is Gillett WAS there and all he did was outstretch one arm in a really "i dont really give a ****" way. That sucks he was put in the position. But if you are, make the fucking tackle. Or at least try. Theres no time for "Kahu shoulda been there" when we are playing like we are.

 

[Dexter]

Nah mate, if you see the head on he was done with some good footwork, nothing more he could have done except maybe try an ankle tap.

 

[Porthoz]

I dunno man, I'm not Hook. What I do know is Gillett WAS there and all he did was outstretch one arm in a really "i dont really give a ****" way. That sucks he was put in the position. But if you are, make the fucking tackle. Or at least try. Theres no time for "Kahu shoulda been there" when we are playing like we are.

Sorry Penny, but that is absolute horseshit. There is a replay from behind where you see what a sea of space Edrick Lee had with only Gillett in front of him. It is the merit of the winger that he stepped and accelerated, and Gillett still dived to try and tackle him. There was no lack of effort or anything close to the attitude you're describing. If you have a chance, review the play!

Gillett is very quick of the line, which is often a good thing, especially rushing the kicker on the 5th tackle. Yesterday he was unlucky when he slipped, but it was a mistake that Campese took great advantage of, as there was a gaping hole for him to go through. But really, one of the things you can't accuse Gillett of, is lack of effort.

 

[Coxy]

I don't blame Gillett for the miss on Lee! It was the bonehead kick to that side of the field while our right winger was down injured! Should've kicked to the far left corner. I could see on the kick there was no chase. Robinson just had to beat the first (and widest) chaser and he was in space. Gillett had no chance of stopping Lee one-on-one in that situation.

 

[Porthoz]

For me, one of the most telling things is Thaiday trying to get into HB and create something, that shows the frustration with the playmaking and the chances (or there lackof) they are creating.

I suppose, at least Thaidays kick didn't roll dead for a 20m restart so he's already doing better than Wallace.

I didn't think the halves were too bad yesterday, but we really can't take a trick at the moment, from kicks that just keep rolling until they go out (we had a few of those last night), to kicks that bounce when you want them to keep rolling. Line breaks with no one supporting the player (Wallace), the bounce always going to a Raiders player, Reed butchering a try, another called back for a dubious forward pass, a blatant knock on let go (or a really bad advantage rule usage), etc...

Not trying to excuse everything, like the last Raiders try, which was sincerely a disgrace, especially from Thaiday, but Parker as well.

When you're so down on confidence, you really need a couple of things go your way, and yesterday nothing went our way, nothing!

 

[Renegade]

I just don't even know if I can say they're giving it their all. I know some players are and cannot give anymore, but I can't help but feel a lot of the younger guys feel they have "made it" and therefore this is their newly found comfort zone.

It's weird, I don't want to be too harsh on them considering I have been extremely harsh recently, it just seems like it's a lot of little things that are culminating, but now that's it's happening, who's going to be the leader and drag them out? Do they exist at the club?

I also don't blame Gillet for the miss on Lee, he got done by a back who was shown the sideline. Kicking to that corner was dumb considering we were a man down, and our chase was just as bad. Both of these gave Lee everything he needed to make the break and assist Crokers try.

 

[Broncoman]

I'm certain every player went out there and busted their balls to win, we just weren't good enough in the end.

 

[pennywisealfie]

Sorry Penny, but that is absolute horse****. There is a replay from behind where you see what a sea of space Edrick Lee had with only Gillett in front of him. It is the merit of the winger that he stepped and accelerated, and Gillett still dived to try and tackle him. There was no lack of effort or anything close to the attitude you're describing. If you have a chance, review the play!

Gillett is very quick of the line, which is often a good thing, especially rushing the kicker on the 5th tackle. Yesterday he was unlucky when he slipped, but it was a mistake that Campese took great advantage of, as there was a gaping hole for him to go through. But really, one of the things you can't accuse Gillett of, is lack of effort.

Yeah Porthoz, like I said, it wasn't even that try dude. It was another, go look at it before you have a go.

 

[Porthoz]

Yeah Porthoz, like I said, it wasn't even that try dude. It was another, go look at it before you have a go.

Sorry Penny, I was probably a bit abrasive and you deserve better.

You're not talking about the try where Edrick Lee steps him near the sideline and leaves him behind? Because other than that one, and the one where he slips and leaves an avenue for Campese, I truly have no idea what you're talking about...

 

[Alec]

I dunno how you can possibly flip rushing out of the line as a good thing.

 

[pennywisealfie]

Sorry Penny, I was probably a bit abrasive and you deserve better.

You're not talking about the try where Edrick Lee steps him near the sideline and leaves him behind? Because other than that one, and the one where he slips and leaves an avenue for Campese, I truly have no idea what you're talking about...

it was a try lee scored down the wing, not the one where gillett slips and croker scores. Its the one Lee scores. Gillett turns and goes "oh well, hes beaten me, whatever". the 4th try i think.