PRE-GAME Round 15 - Broncos vs Dragons

[HarryAllan7]

I would love to see Staggs get a go at 6.

I think he would shine there just like Wighton has at Canberra. Big, strong, gets his hands on the ball and gets to run regularly and take on the line.
Easier to defend at pivot than out wider too, which nullifies what is a major weakness in his game at present.

Not like we're getting much out of the 6 jersey at the moment anyway. The trade-off is that suddenly the pressure on Dearden is immense, with no other capable playmakers / kickers in the side.

 

[JungleBoogie]

I like the Staggs and Fifita pairing with Staggs on the outside.

However that isn't happening going forward so I guess we should try whatever

 

[The Strapper]

Not like we're getting much out of the 6 jersey at the moment anyway. The trade-off is that suddenly the pressure on Dearden is immense, with no other capable playmakers / kickers in the side.

This is what worries me.
Our pack will really struggle this week and in the foreseeable future due to injuries/suspensions.
Dearden is going to have immense responsibility and pressure and may get burned like taylor.

 

[rnabokov]

I would love to see Staggs get a go at 6.

I think he would shine there just like Wighton has at Canberra. Big, strong, gets his hands on the ball and gets to run regularly and take on the line.
Easier to defend at pivot than out wider too, which nullifies what is a major weakness in his game at present.

Not like we're getting much out of the 6 jersey at the moment anyway. The trade-off is that suddenly the pressure on Dearden is immense, with no other capable playmakers / kickers in the side.

And he can kick, one example being the try for Arthars last week. Good option for mine

 

[winslow_wong]

We just play Patty at prop and find a new lock. I reckon he can put out pretty big numbers as a prop.

It’ll be our next highest paid forward to step up..

 

[1910]

And he can kick, one example being the try for Arthars last week. Good option for mine

Dearden has a strong kicking game, surprisingly it's massive. Wynnum got a penalty on halfway in 2019 and he pointed to the posts, and I thought he was mad- kicked it easily- a massive goal.

He strikes the ball well, in just the right spot.

 

[holdzy]

Dearden has a strong kicking game, surprisingly it's massive. Wynnum got a penalty on halfway in 2019 and he pointed to the posts, and I thought he was mad- kicked it easily- a massive goal.

He strikes the ball well, in just the right spot.

He does that thing that Locky and Joey used to do - lets the ball sit in the air for a few seconds before booting it, gives it a bit of hang time. Beautiful.

 

[rnabokov]

Dearden has a strong kicking game, surprisingly it's massive. Wynnum got a penalty on halfway in 2019 and he pointed to the posts, and I thought he was mad- kicked it easily- a massive goal.

He strikes the ball well, in just the right spot.

Thanks for that. His positives just keep adding up.

 

[Huge]

True test would be from time of first contact to time ball clears the ruck - however there would be instances where he would've broken the line post contact which would have a bad reflection on overall numbers. They would have to be treated as outliers and removed for the purposes of this test, although that is the positive aspect that comes from his playing style.

If we do that and put it up against the front rowers from Roosters, Storm, Parra - nearly all clubs actually - I think he would be slower.

It is practically an impossible stat to capture unless you're on the payroll for a club or the league.

No, sorry cannot agree. There's no need to fiddle the numbers because the circumstances of all games are the same. You may want to manipulate the data to try to produce your desired outcome but ptb speed is your point of complaint. Forget trying to rejig it and just accept that if Haas was seldom finding his front his ptb speed stat would CLEARLY show that. It doesn't. You have a theory but the evidence does not support it.

 

[Huge]

I would love to see Staggs get a go at 6.

I think he would shine there just like Wighton has at Canberra. Big, strong, gets his hands on the ball and gets to run regularly and take on the line.
Easier to defend at pivot than out wider too, which nullifies what is a major weakness in his game at present.

Not like we're getting much out of the 6 jersey at the moment anyway. The trade-off is that suddenly the pressure on Dearden is immense, with no other capable playmakers / kickers in the side.

Staggs is a more than capable kicker. He can kick any kind of kick you want. 6 is a good suggestion.

 

[Sproj]

Dearden vs Cleary, that is how State of Origin is shaping up over the next decade at halfback. Sam Walker might have a shout but man, Dearden has it all.

 

[Thelmus]

Are we going to ignore the elephant in the room or are we going to turn a blind eye to the fact Payne Haas got given 2 weeks for that crusher because it means he also misses next weeks game which conveniently is against the hard done by Sydney Politis’/Roosters?

I going to go out on a limb and say it won't effect the result of either game (not that he won't be missed). Anyway it means someone else gets an opportunity so hopefully they can grab it with both hands.

 

[JungleBoogie]

No, sorry cannot agree. There's no need to fiddle the numbers because the circumstances of all games are the same. You may want to manipulate the data to try to produce your desired outcome but ptb speed is your point of complaint. Forget trying to rejig it and just accept that if Haas was seldom finding his front his ptb speed stat would CLEARLY show that. It doesn't. You have a theory but the evidence does not support it.

Um no. My issue is game speed and go forward - partly which is play the ball speed. It is also ensuring you don't get put on your back, you catch the ball at the advantage line whilst moving. This means it is overall time from when the you are touched as that is when the other teams defence can turn and reset.

Can you show me PTB speed stats on there own if you have it?

My 'theory' has legs because it is basic fundamentals. If you can catch at the advantage line with speed and get in to the next play as fast as possible it will not allow the other team to move up in defence. This is why sustained pressure over a set is more important than one single players run.

 

[vertigo]

How much worse can the team be without Haas when we lose by 40 every week with him playing 80?

That's exactly my point. Our defence is so shit the only way we can possibly beat a team is by scoring more than them.

We won't be getting any opportunity to get inside their 20m. The only points I can see is from an intercept if we're lucky.

 

[Wolfie]

Dearden vs Cleary, that is how State of Origin is shaping up over the next decade at halfback. Sam Walker might have a shout but man, Dearden has it all.

I havent seen a lot of Sam, but i think he is going to be a superstar and better than Dearden.

 

[Dazza 92]

Um no. My issue is game speed and go forward - partly which is play the ball speed. It is also ensuring you don't get put on your back, you catch the ball at the advantage line whilst moving. This means it is overall time from when the you are touched as that is when the other teams defence can turn and reset.

Can you show me PTB speed stats on there own if you have it?

My 'theory' has legs because it is basic fundamentals. If you can catch at the advantage line with speed and get in to the next play as fast as possible it will not allow the other team to move up in defence. This is why sustained pressure over a set is more important than one single players run.

If you get a chance to read AFL prospectus by Champion data (well...maybe if you're a stats nerd..?) you'll notice they record involvements in scoring chains. Can be a disposal, clearance, goal assist or goal etc..

Its a way to measure a players involvement in positive attacking play expressed as a percentage

I think i get what you are alluding to here; its not the initial stat per say (PCM) but what comes of it?

Is it % of offloads per PCM run, or % of above average play the ball speed per PCM run etc...

Regardless, no matter what it is, without a positive chain to exploit it, PCM are rather meaningless in and off themselves...

Just start with how many support runner per 6 hit ups are offered to our middles?

That passes the eye test.....ive not seen too many all year...

 

[JungleBoogie]

This is interesting and a sounds like a good capture.

I think for most immediate effect you can look at the metres by the ball carrier subsequent to Haas (or whoever) and if there metres are higher then there average per hitup.

It's a hard capture and probably better done just with the eye test.

 

[Mustafur]

This is interesting and a sounds like a good capture.

I think for most immediate effect you can look at the metres by the ball carrier subsequent to Haas (or whoever) and if there metres are higher then there average per hitup.

It's a hard capture and probably better done just with the eye test.

Nearly everytime I see Haas doing a hitup he drags them another 5 meters each time he gets contact, and stays on his feet, I honestly don't know what your seeing.

I would say he doesn't always get the ball at speed but this is a playmaking issue, the 7 and the 1 are the ones that should be setting the line as they are usually the one giving the ball to the forward.