POST GAME Round 18 - Bulldogs vs Broncos

[Foordy]

Archer says the Bulldogs' first try against the Broncos, scored by Josh Morris, should not have been a try due to an error by the on-field referee."The video referee followed the correct process – he is not allowed to check a forward pass," Archer said in his weekly address with NRL.com.
"The referee on the field got the decision wrong. He initially awarded six more tackles due to the ball being knocked down by Matt Gillett. But clearly on replay that wasn't the case – the ball went forward.
"But the video referee definitely followed the correct process."

Archer reviews Round 18 referee calls - NRL.com

 

[I bleed Maroon]

The first try was bullshit too. We should've smashed them.

 

[Alec]

They should ammend the forward pass rule. Like if the pass goes at least 1.5 to 2 metres forward (ie. visibly forward to everyone), they should be able to rule on that. The flat ones can stay the way they are.

 

[Porthoz]

He could've sent it up as a no try, and asked to check if the ball was touched by Gillett in this case. The video ref wouldn't be ruling on a forward pass, and could overrule the decision if Gillett had indeed knocked the ball back...

 

[Behold]

If the assumption was that Gillett had touched the ball, couldn't the video ref than call Morris' pass a knock on?
I know on the video Gillett didn't touch the ball but the on field ref ruled that it had.

 

[Brent81]

If the assumption was that Gillett had touched the ball, couldn't the video ref than call Morris' pass a knock on?
I know on the video Gillett didn't touch the ball but the on field ref ruled that it had.

I don't know what the video ref could have done but it was ridiculous to say that they were required to give that try despite the obvious forward pass.

Something similar happened in about 2009 when we played st george at suncorp. On field ref missed a blatant forward pass (by us) in the lead up to a potential try. Even though the video ref couldn't rule on a forward pass he spun up "refs call" and tipped the on field ref (who then ruled on the pass). Not exactly within the rules but the right result.

Ps agreed about us getting robbed of a try to Vidot as well but that just adds to the merit of the win.

 

[big k]

I know it's not league, but in union they rule on forward passes with the video refs, why can't league?

 

[K-Style]

Pretty sure we've been burned by the video ref making a call on thi ng s they werent supposed too. Either that or completely ignoring what the onfield ref told them to check.

 

[broncos4life]

As much as I want the video ref to be able to rule on blatant forward passes like that, allowing them to rule on forward passes would just open up a massive can of worms that wouldn't be worth it. I don't want to see great tries called back for flat balls that are arguably forward because the video ref decides he wants to make a difference. You can imagine QLD scoring a match winner from a flat pass out of dummy half and Luke Patten being the hero for NSW calling it forward.

I want on field refs that don't make massive errors like that, why is that so much to ask for? Basic physics says that there is no way Gillett could have touched that ball because there is quite obviously no deflection, how do they make such basic errors like this?

Unless he was 100% sure that Gillett touched it (and providing he can tie his own shoelaces I can't believe he was 100% sure about that) he should of sent it up as 'no try, check if the ball has been touched by a bronco'; eliminating the forward pass technicality.

I'm completely sick of the refs. It's just another year, another refs boss, more promises that they are working hard to avoid howlers; yet you know already that a blatant howler(s) is going to impact dramatically on the finals series

 

[Socnorb]

there should a "common sense, lets get this right" provision for the video ref. he should be able to say. No touch from Gillett , revaluate the forward pass. the biggest giveaway was the groan from the Dogs supporters when they saw the vision. I agree forward momentum cant be measured, therefore ruled upon, but that was a howler, that potentially damages the game, and should be corrected. What if it had cost us a win?
It's not enough that Archer comes out later to say it was incorrect, when all of the evidence was there to make the correct decision in the video replay.

 

[Big Pete]

It's a shame they got rid of refs call.

I remember a game against the Dragons from 2008 where it looked as if the Broncos scored off a massive forward pass. The referee sent it upstairs, it was clearly a forward pass but the video couldn't say anything so he sent it back downstairs as a ref call, where the referee made a decision.

I believe it was officially a 'knock on' but everyone knew what was up.

It probably cost Brisbane the game.

 

[morganmorgan]

Get on Milford to score a double into Bronx by 13+ ---WRONG THREAD

 

[M.B.88]

Dunno why they couldn't rule it a deliberate forward pass which is a penalty? Or just clasd it as a knock on because the ball clearly flies forward after him losing control of it

 

[Brent81]

It's a shame they got rid of refs call.

I remember a game against the Dragons from 2008 where it looked as if the Broncos scored off a massive forward pass. The referee sent it upstairs, it was clearly a forward pass but the video couldn't say anything so he sent it back downstairs as a ref call, where the referee made a decision.

I believe it was officially a 'knock on' but everyone knew what was up.

It probably cost Brisbane the game.

This is the game I was talking about in my post.

I was cranky at the time (yelling that video ref can't rule on a forward pass) and yet, in retrospect, they got the decision right, which is all the fans ask.

Fans can live with contentious. They won't cop obviously bad decisions (like the Dogs try on the weekend) which were made just to keep up the alleged integrity of the 'process'.

Why can't a ref say 'I have a try. I think that ball touched Gillett's hand. If it didn't I'm going to rule forward pass. Can you check if it hits the hand'?

Video ref 'This is video ref x. Ball doesn't touch Gillett's hand'.

Onfield ref 'Ta. Forward pass boys. Scrum to Brisbane. No James, I've ruled on the forward pass. I'm not having another look.'

James Graham 'No but....'

Onfield ref 'No. You are close to being penalised James'.

Onfield ref 'right, penalty, backchat (quacks hand like duck and marches Dogs 10 metres)'.

 

[Cult]

With the captain's challenge in the NYC, can they challenge forward passes?

 

[ivanhungryjak]

All they had to do was send it up as a No Try.
Say, "I think it's a forward pass but just check to see if the Broncos player touched it".
There was zero chance that if it wasn't touched by Gillett that it was a fair pass.

 

[Huge]

It makes you queasy with anxiety as a supporter that something like that will happen to cost you a grand final. Naturally that doesn't apply to a Parramatta or West Tigers, Knights supporter !!!!

 

[Cult]

It makes you queasy with anxiety as a supporter that something like that will happen to cost you a grand final. Naturally that doesn't apply to a Parramatta or West Tigers, Knights supporter !!!!

Yet they're always the first to yell refs fault.