Round 2 - Broncos vs Cowboys - Post Match Discussion

The dive from Bowen was completely unnecessary and should have been penalised.

Poor ol' Yow Yeh couldn't cop a trick on a Friday. Not only did he get kneed by Bowen but he had his hands kicked by JT as he was attempting to pick up a loose ball. That was a bit of a howler that call - should have either been play on to the Broncos. In fact, what JT did should be outlawed and it should have been a penalty against the Cows.
 
I thought the penalty for leading with the hip when he leaped for the ball was a cop out as well. Israel Folau used to put his knees on his opponent's back when he was jumping for the ball, which is fine as well. My argument is that as long as you're going for the ball you should be able to do pretty much anything you like to get an advantage in the air. It's not Yow Yeh's fault that Winterstein had cement in his boots and couldn't make a go of it.

Plus the other part is that if that went to the video ref we probably would've gotten a try. (correct me if I'm wrong too, just going by what I saw at the game as I haven't watched the replay).
 
Yeah I was a bit upset with that one too.

I think Robinson ruled that since Yow Yeh completely botched that jump that he unfairly impeded Winterstein from contesting it and ruled some kind of obstruction. A bit unfair because I genuinly think Yow Yeh was contesting the ball but I can see where the referee is coming from and the kind of precedent it can set.

Would have been interesting to have seen what the video ref. would have made of Hodges' pass from the ground.
 
Yow Yeh was not contesting that ball, was a half hearted attempt with much more intent on obstructing.
 
Obstruction, his botched jump impeded Winterstein from having a fair go at the football.
 
Big Pete said:
Obstruction, his botched jump impeded Winterstein from having a fair go at the football.
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I think this is correct. An attacking player can not normally interfere with a defender. I think the referee was essentially saying that Yoh Yeh's contact with Winterstein was purely to put Winterstein off catching the football. If Yoh Yeh had been making a genuine attempt to catch the football then it would have been a different matter.

Later in the game a similar thing occurred, but the referee must have decided that Brent Tate was making a genuine attempt at catching the football in a contest with Beale.
 
I thought Yow Yeh was making a genuine attempt but just mistimed or misjudged his jump.
 
Again, the obstruction rule for that has nothing to do with what you said. It's there to ensure players don't go out of their way to intentionally get in the way of the opponent.
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So if a player absolutely miss-timed his jump and prevented one of our players from contesting the ball, you wouldn't consider our player obstructed?

Ok...

I would have been interested to have seen it go upstairs. I don't think the video ref. could 100% say Yow Yeh wasn't going for the ball or whether Hodges passed it forward off the ground. I think it was very line ball and had Yow Yeh not touched the ball with his hip it may have been called play on. I think that's what made Robinson's mind up for him.

But this whole 'he was going for the ball' excuse could set a dangerous precedent. You could get some massive winger, jumping at the ball a fraction early, wiping out the defence but because he only had eyes for the football it'd be deemed play on.
 
Big Pete said:
So if a player absolutely miss-timed his jump and prevented one of our players from contesting the ball, you wouldn't consider our player obstructed?

Ok...

I would have been interested to have seen it go upstairs. I don't think the video ref. could 100% say Yow Yeh wasn't going for the ball or whether Hodges passed it forward off the ground. I think it was very line ball and had Yow Yeh not touched the ball with his hip it may have been called play on. I think that's what made Robinson's mind up for him.

But this whole 'he was going for the ball' excuse could set a dangerous precedent. You could get some massive winger, jumping at the ball a fraction early, wiping out the defence but because he only had eyes for the football it'd be deemed play on.
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Have a look at Slater's match-winner against Canberra. He absolutely knocked one of the Raiders' defenders off his feet in getting to the ball. Israel Folau jumps on Anthony Quinn's back in Origin 3. They were both great takes and great tries and they are what the fans come to see. You see in just about every high ball contest, some sort of obstruction, to one extent or another. And yet just because Yow Yeh happened to not catch it, he is penalised for it? Really? If he got his hands to it and dropped it, they'd have called knock on. They wouldn't have given a penalty. If he'd taken a miracle catch they'd have called play on, but just because he misjudged his jump, it's a penalty. I think that's stupid.

Also I am not sure how this could set a dangerous precedent at all. What's the point of looking like you're going up for a ball only to knock another player out of a contest, and have the football bounce in any which direction after everyone misses it?
 
Picture it, you get some massive fella just storming in launching himself into the opposition, wiping them out clearing the path for his support to simply fall on the ball in the try line. But because the guy has an eye on the football it's deemed fine. Not only is it a bit of an exploit but it could be very dangerous.

Like I said on the Yow Yeh case, line ball but the desperation to get any part of his body on the ball when he had obviously missed it made up Robinson's mind. Definitely tough but I can see his POV.
 
Big Pete said:
Picture it, you get some massive fella just storming in launching himself into the opposition, wiping them out clearing the path for his support to simply fall on the ball in the try line. But because the guy has an eye on the football it's deemed fine. Not only is it a bit of an exploit but it could be very dangerous.

Like I said on the Yow Yeh case, line ball but the desperation to get any part of his body on the ball when he had obviously missed it made up Robinson's mind. Definitely tough but I can see his POV.
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Mate we are talking about a one on one contest for the ball. Yow Yeh was on the run and Winterstein was flat footed. Yow Yeh has the momentum and wants to position himself in the exact same spot as Winterstein when the ball goes down to a catchable height. Of course he is going to cause interference, particularly as he tried to catch it on his chest. Like I said, IMO the only reason there was a penalty to the Cowboys is because he didn't catch the bloody ball.

In your example above, the ball would more than likely hit a player on the way down, could hit his head, and who knows where it could bounce from there. If players would think that is a good way they can exploit a rule then they're idiots. Much better ways to score a try. And as another point I'd say the likelihood of that happening would be 500-1.
 
So you don't a guy wiping out 3 defenders isn't giving his team some sort of advantage? I mean really? Most times I'd imagine it'd lead to a loose ball and give the other team a numbers advantage.

It's not just Yow Yeh missing the ball though, it's him moving his hip mid-air in a desperate bid to make any kind of contact with the ball that's been ruled as him impeding the defence.
 
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