[Round 20, 2021] Broncos vs Cowboys

[BooKhaki]

Totally fair. I don't agree that he hasn't progressed in some areas and realistically not everyone can be a superstar. I think his improvements are slight but hey, as long as you're not going backwards, right? We have him for another year I think so really, as we've both said, why not see if we've missed a trick. I think he'd kill it.

You think he'd kill it anywhere. He has so far failed everywhere.

 

[Cult]

No, no, no ,no.

That's not what you did at all.

Try honesty. You said "you don't move someone that's failing at their position into the spine just because of how they're built"
see? I think you're being deliberately obtuse and frankly stupid because I didn't suggest moving him JUST BECAUSE of their build. That's what I'm objecting to. I never ever suggested it was the sole reason. If you cannot comprehend you've misrepresented my position there's no point talking on. If you recognize this, I'll move on.

And in response you've decided to cherry pick one part of my response and misrepresent my entire argument when I responded to more than just how he is built in my entire response. I'm disappointed in you, Huge.

 

[Huge]

And in response you've decided to cherry pick one part of my response and misrepresent my entire argument when I responded to more than just how he is built in my entire response. I'm disappointed in you, Huge.

No. You're in the wrong and you know it. Unlike me though you find it difficult to simply say "yes, I got that wrong , sorry". I'm happy to debate a point or points and I do take on board what you say. I do consider alternate views.

You led with a misrepresentation. You made out that it was "just because" and that was clearly wrong. Why is that hard to accept? You know that isn't my view and it wasn't solely the reason but the way you presented it was clear that's what you tried to present. There's literally no other way to see that statement!

If you can pull back from that and perhaps say, " yeah, I could have expressed myself in a better way" I'd happily just move on. If you cannot see you didn't do that well how can a reasonable debate happen?

 

[Huge]

You think he'd kill it anywhere. He has so far failed everywhere.

No, I don't think he went well at fullback and yes, he had flaws. I just thought the widespread and vicious condenation was over the top. Just like in our most recent game Croft was copping some horrendous sprays and slurs but he actually had a pretty good game. I don't even think Isaako would be good at centre either but to me at least he seems to be the type who would be better suited to the fast and furious action in the halves. It's a place where he can simply react.

 

[Cult]

No. You're in the wrong and you know it. Unlike me though you find it difficult to simply say "yes, I got that wrong , sorry". I'm happy to debate a point or points and I do take on board what you say. I do consider alternate views.

You led with a misrepresentation. You made out that it was "just because" and that was clearly wrong. Why is that hard to accept? You know that isn't my view and it wasn't solely the reason but the way you presented it was clear that's what you tried to present. There's literally no other way to see that statement!

If you can pull back from that and perhaps say, " yeah, I could have expressed myself in a better way" I'd happily just move on. If you cannot see you didn't do that well how can a reasonable debate happen?

Arguing the use of "just because" simply proves you do not have a leg to stand on in regards to the rest of my comment. I'll address all of your points below.

You're wrong and your opinion on this topic genuinely sucks. How's that, mate?

 

[Huge]

Arguing the use of "just because" simply proves you do not have a leg to stand on in regards to the rest of my comment. I'll address all of your points below.

You're wrong and your opinion on this topic genuinely sucks. How's that, mate?

Honestly? It's weak. I didn't argue your points, you simply got it wrong and cowardly are avoiding admitting so.

 

[Cult]

Honestly? It's weak. I didn't argue your points, you simply got it wrong and cowardly are avoiding admitting so.

Cherry picking two words in an an entire post because you lack an argument is what's weak here, Huge.

 

[Foordy]

. I'm happy to debate a point or points and I do take on board what you say. I do consider alternate views.

 

[Broncapz]

It's impossible to convince most on here that there's still a good footballer in Isaako.In the past I've suggested Isaako might be better off in the thick of things at 5/8. That was not well received
I think Isaako is the perfect build for a modern 5/8. Strong enough to be as least as effective as most modern 5/8s, fast off the mark, light on his feet, good hands and good passing skills. I have no doubt he could also kick any sort of kick required. Bombs of all kinds, grubbers, whatever you'd ask for as coach I am sure Isaako could kick.

Of course we will now hear from the intellectual giants about how his kicks would all go out on the full yada yada yada

Yeah. Nah.

You don't want someone with Isaakos mental fortitute at 6. He's got the talent and physical attributes, but completly lacks the mental composure for the job.

Hard pass on Mr.Yips on the one of the most important positions in the team. Maybe try it out in ISC for a season first.

 

[Huge]

Yeah. Nah.

You don't want someone with Isaakos mental fortitute at 6. He's got the talent and physical attributes, but completly lacks the mental composure for the job.

Hard pass on Mr.Yips on the one of the most important positions in the team. Maybe try it out in ISC for a season first.

I don't know if that's true, the part concerning his mental composure. That said I do like the idea of an ISC experiment. One thing I have trouble understanding is how some of you are so certain you know of the outcome without having tested the hypothesis.

Still, I do understand the reluctance. It is after all very human to resist change. For me the best time to experiment is when there's no potential for loss.

 

[Broncapz]

I don't know if that's true, the part concerning his mental composure. That said I do like the idea of an ISC experiment. One thing I have trouble understanding is how some of you are so certain you know of the outcome without having tested the hypothesis.

Still, I do understand the reluctance. It is after all very human to resist change. For me the best time to experiment is when there's no potential for loss.

It's happened on more than one occasion where after one mistake Isaako will just shit the bed, and start missing sitter kicks and struggle with crucial handling. He needs to be a player that makes a mistake and forgets it and moves on.

I really realy want Isaako to succeed, I love him as a player..but he really needs to seek a sports psycologist because the yips is legitimately a thing he suffers from.

I'm all for the 6 experiment in ISC and if it works out then maybe compete for the spot next year.

 

[Kooly87]

You don't move someone that's failing at their position into the spine just because of how they're built. Maybe we should give Xavier Coates a go at 6 too? He can kick big but Pat Richards was never a 6 either. I get that you must defend him and you enjoy re-inventing the wheel in crazy ways but Isaako is not a 6. He's a bigger body who was evasive that one time against the Roosters a few years ago but he's not creative, reliable or skillful enough to pull off the move.

Seibold shifting Darius Boyd to 5/8 disagrees with you...

 

[john1420]

I'm definitely of the opinion, be it Isaako or damn near anyone else, if you are going to suggest a positional change, that player learns by playing it in ISC.
Someone of Locky's skill would be an exception but as we have seen, that is oh so rare.

 

[Kooly87]

I respect your opinion even when you're wrong. At least you don't THINK he's smart enough and this is where we disagree. I don't think he needs to be, certainly not to provide more than the last two seasons worth of numptie 5/8ths.

I THINK he just needs to play what's in front and simply keep challenging the defence purely instinctively. I certainly wouldn't ask him to be this Master Puppeteer. No, I'd simply tell him get it out to Staggs or Farnworth whenever he felt like it or do whatever the hell he wants on his own. I'd couple him with Crofty who had a really decent game on the weekend.

I was surprised how well he played considering the comments I'd read but I realise now it was the old bhq/fan pain and bitterness talking. ****, Croft's first half was really good.

Back on Isaako I really think he'd be far better than Gamble who did try but just can't exploit half chances. I think there's where Isaako could be a better alternative, wherever tgere's a slight gap he's quick enough and slippery enough to make something of them.

Like I say, I really do respect posters right to disagree with me even when I'm convinced they have it wrong.

Being better than our previous 5/8's is not a reasonable benchmark. We've had probably the least productive 5/8 in the competition in the role. The base there is so low that there is potential for even your mate Kennedy to improve on our previous 5/8's, but that still doesn't make it a good idea.

He was a decent tackle buster for a while and that probably makes him suitable for a Wing or Centre position, but unfortunately it's not enough in the modern game to cut it at Fullback and its definitely not enough in the modern game to play in the Halves.

Realisitcally, he's shown even less signs that he'd be a success in the role than Staggs, and even Staggs is probably pretty unlikely to prove a massive success story if he gets the job.

Spend decent money on specialist spine players who are proven to be ompetent and reliable in their job (and get elite one's where possible). Get a couple of Middle Forwards who work hard and set standards, one strike outside back who is capable of bagging tries regularly, an Edge Forward who can link up with your Halves on at least one side, then fill in the rest of your squad with whatever funds you have left.

It's honestly a blueprint that works year after year for a host of clubs and I cannot for the life of me understand why the Broncos have taken so long to get their heads around it.

 

[McHunt]

Injury update:

Paix: in a moon boot, out for 3-4 weeks.
Turpin: in doubt, see how he trains this week.
Piakura: another two weeks away.

 

[Galah]

Injury update:

Paix: in a moon boot, out for 3-4 weeks.
Turpin: in doubt, see how he trains this week.
Piakura: another two weeks away.

Knew i saw him limping, fucksake!

 

[BroncsFan]

Injury update:

Paix: in a moon boot, out for 3-4 weeks.
Turpin: in doubt, see how he trains this week.
Piakura: another two weeks away.

**** sake... finally a winnable game coming up against a team with just as many injury issues as us and we lose both hookers in one game.

We hadn't played two hookers all year, then in a nothing game against a top 2 team we lose both hookers in one hit... and whilst in a bubble so we cant even bring in super signing Danny Levi (or is he in the bubble??)

 

[1910]

Knew i saw him limping, fucksake!

Just before half time it happened. On the right hand side, he limped to the ruck and kept playing.

He has done this before and was out for a long time. 2019 for Queensland he went off and didn't come back and was out for a long time with the same injury.