PRE-GAME Round 22 - Broncos vs Panthers

rnabokov

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When I look at our team list, especially the forwards, the lack of leadership and experience in key positions, especially the forwards, is striking, and it seems to me that maybe we under appreciate the value of Gillett and Glenn. They provide leadership aside from good defence on both edges and when things look bad they lead by example (mostly) and keep things together.

When the team is under the pump and what is needed on the edges is people playing for each other to keep the edge defence tight, we need the sort of leadership Glenn and Gillett provide.

For mine this side really suffers from their absence, and, more generally on the question of experience and leadership, others have observed how the Broncos lack resilience and tend to fall apart when under pressure, and as Seibold observed, our attack becomes frantic (because there is no organisation and leadership).

Pity Dariu$$$ and Macca are unable to lead.
 

broncsgoat

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Get boyd out of fb! =moves boyd =drop him or you're piss weak

Nikorima isn't a hb! =moves knik out of hb but he has a tantrum and wants to leave, freeing up money we need to re-sign players ppl on here we are demanding the club don't lose = why would he release him, can't he forsee the 3 injuries we'd have in the halves


Milf isn't a controlling half and that's what we need, he needs to run more = moves him to fb so he runs more and doesn't need to worry about controlling the team = he's our best half, he just needs a controlling and experienced half to help him (offers no real world solution) what's he doing!

He needs to pick perese for his attack = picks him on the bench to use his attack but possibly hide him in defence = he needs to pick him or not pick him! Piss weak...


Ffs, have a listen to yourselves. You want changes, then you don't like how he does them. You want experience but you want rookies, you want players dropped but you don't want the rookies to be thrown in the deep end, you want things we don't have available... These changes aren't getting done 100% right, but ffs they are happening! Something that hasn't been happening for 4 years. Will they work, who knows! But at least some are actually happening. Blind frexdy can tell boyd and macca need to go but how do you drop your 2 most experienced players when they are also the most loved in the playing group, they refuse to believe they are playing bad, and we are winning. I think sos should and could have been picked this round.

I also think perese should take shibasakis spot completely and sos should have got picked this week BUT at least there are changes happening for once. If they work or not at least we won't die wondering like we have for 5 years.

It's obvious seibold wants macca and boyd gone. It's quite obviously our major problem, but I find it hilarious that the same ppl are bagging him for it after 20 games when the same coach that they say would have made better decisions kept picking them for about 100 games past their use by (this is not a new problem that seibold created).

If everybody on here wanted chocolate ice cream and seibold bought choc ship I swear people would complain. Changes are happening at least
You seem to be mistaking some people calling for these changes as everyone calling for these changes.

And ftr, choc chip is fucking shit, damn right I’d be blowing up
- Merged

not to mention that loss came at the hands of a team on track to finish the season with the lowest amount of L's in 24 years
Not to mention the 5 other teams we played round out the bottom of the table
 
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JAHHW

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I like it.

For too long we’ve been ultra conservative and predictable. Regardless of how we got to where we are now, truth is we are also lacking dynamic halves at present.

This may just inject the punch we’ve been looking for.

It might fail too - but to death-ride it before giving it a chance takes a special kind of pessimist.
 

john1420

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We all have different opinions but universally we agree that our results over the past few years are below expectations and change is needed.

And change is happening. Rejoice! Be happy! It may not be the change you wanted but at least the coach is trying something.

Let's not forget that a full time professional NRL coach, even a bog average one, knows more about the game than all of us put together.

It's fine for us to have our doubts and concerns of course but we also need to have some trust and patience in equal measure
 
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BroncsFan

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100 games ago is 2015. I don't want to turn this into Bennett vs. Seibold 5000, but Boyd only started struggling last year and changes were made around Darius. Boyd put all his focus into club football which saw him momentarily improve his form and when that wasn't good enough he was moved into the centres. Had the Broncos had the depth to make the move work, it may have lasted more than three games but as it was, Kahu had a shocker against Canterbury and the move was halted for the pre-season that never was.

My issue with this move is that it's another half measure that doesn't improve the team. I'm looking forward to watching Perese because I like what I've seen of him, but I don't think Seibs is doing him any favours.
Could it be more about introducing and giving him a taste??

It sounds like he is starting to train at left centre which could be an indication Seibs is considering a permanent move for him, but wants his defence to improve.

If Perese's defence is so suspect I'm happy for him to not be starting.... having a liability defending on the edge cannot be overcome by attacking quality (Coates anyone).

For anyone in the know is Perese a legitimate left sided player or another right side player being shoehorned into our troublesome left center spot??

Also in regards to losing Kennedy for Perese I'm pretty sure Kennedy has been getting the junk 10-15 minutes anyway.

Just means we get Carrigan playing 50-60mins
 

Dazza 92

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Could it be more about introducing and giving him a taste??

It sounds like he is starting to train at left centre which could be an indication Seibs is considering a permanent move for him, but wants his defence to improve.

If Perese's defence is so suspect I'm happy for him to not be starting.... having a liability defending on the edge cannot be overcome by attacking quality (Coates anyone).

For anyone in the know is Perese a legitimate left sided player or another right side player being shoehorned into our troublesome left center spot??

Also in regards to losing Kennedy for Perese I'm pretty sure Kennedy has been getting the junk 10-15 minutes anyway.

Just means we get Carrigan playing 50-60mins
thats right...one of those tier 2 middle forwards will have to play extended shifts....
 

Dazza 92

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I believe he will switch with shiba. Looks like Kennedy misses out.
mmm....what a interesting development...our season hinges on this game.....lose and we are basically cooked...and Siebs makes THIS particular bench change..??

Is this like a warning shot across JPD bows..??....will he hook him when he makes his first mistake..??

Im sorry, i find the whole thing very interesting that all...?
 

BroncsFan

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thats right...one of those tier 2 middle forwards will have to play extended shifts....
Carrigan has been getting more and more minutes as the season goes on... and to me he looks good whilst he is out there ie. noticeable team improvement when he is on compared to when he is off the field. I think he played 60mins against the titans a few weeks back as well.

Flegler has been starting at lock and second row throughout the year.

Offa has played 80mins at lock several times already in his career... including being an 80min prop at junior levels.

Not to mention Haas and Lodge have been averaging big minutes this season.

The concern would be if we lose a forward in the game, but Offa can then just play 80 and Carrigan/Haas/Lodge play bigger minutes in the middle.

Even Macca played some lock at the death when Seggy was still on the field.

I dont think it is a huge issue to overcome.
 

Morepudding

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Honestly how the **** is Shibasaki even able to play QCup let alone NRL. Bloke is a bloody potato. To say he has feet for hands would be a compliment.

Also, does anyone else think we probably shouldn't be throwing such big money at Oates? he has been completely missing since the first origin game.
 

McHunt

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Honestly how the **** is Shibasaki even able to play QCup let alone NRL. Bloke is a bloody potato. To say he has feet for hands would be a compliment.

Also, does anyone else think we probably shouldn't be throwing such big money at Oates? he has been completely missing since the first origin game.
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13 tries from 17 games this season - our leading try scorer. Next is Staggs with 7 from 19 games. Not bad considering he's at the end of the backline from hell.
 

Dazza 92

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Honestly how the **** is Shibasaki even able to play QCup let alone NRL. Bloke is a bloody potato. To say he has feet for hands would be a compliment.

Also, does anyone else think we probably shouldn't be throwing such big money at Oates? he has been completely missing since the first origin game.
...look...its getting to the point now where we have to stop looking at signing all our forwards to long term deals....if the trend continues we risk being far too top heavy....

As you've stated...its time to start deploying resources and money into others areas of the team, so i agree its time to really think abut what Oates offers us and what that would cost us..

Ill say this; hed stay with us for unders im pretty sure about that...
 

Skyblues87

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Honestly how the **** is Shibasaki even able to play QCup let alone NRL. Bloke is a bloody potato. To say he has feet for hands would be a compliment.

Also, does anyone else think we probably shouldn't be throwing such big money at Oates? he has been completely missing since the first origin game.
Wouldn't go as far as calling Shibba a potato but agree 100pct he shouldn't be in the team.
As for Oates agree his form has been garbage since Origin plus he will spill one in two bombs. Also Jesse Arthurs has been signed and plays in same position so maybe switch Oates to back row or get rid as don't want to see us pay overs for a winger.
Same applies to Milford and Bird. We are not getting value for money. We could offload both and go after Ramien plus a fullback and experienced half and be better off cap wise not to mention stronger team also.
 

rnabokov

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Wouldn't go as far as calling Shibba a potato but agree 100pct he shouldn't be in the team.
As for Oates agree his form has been garbage since Origin plus he will spill one in two bombs. Also Jesse Arthurs has been signed and plays in same position so maybe switch Oates to back row or get rid as don't want to see us pay overs for a winger.
Same applies to Milford and Bird. We are not getting value for money. We could offload both and go after Ramien plus a fullback and experienced half and be better off cap wise not to mention stronger team also.
Um, no offence, however your post makes no sense. Not getting value for money from Milford? He was and remains, our best player, and his inconsistencies are more to do with the fiasco with our halves and Dariu$$$ than Milf's skills and form.

Bird? I seem to recall he was coming good and playing really strongly before his injury. For mine he's a game breaker and key to our backline strength for next year.

Ramien? WTF? Looking at his record I'd rather avoid him and focus on Bird.

Oates? Amongst the top try scorers and his metres aren't to be sneezed at. His form has dipped, sure, but again, whose hasn't in the backs?

Our problems for mine are an appalling recruitment and retention strategy in the backs. Far too much has been focused on the forwards.
 

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