Round 27 v Storm / Strategy?

JayPee said:
You are just a constant smart ass mate about everything to me. How hard is it to have a civil conversation about a topic without constantly going at me. Ever since I got here.

I appreciate the genuine take in the bottom half of your post. I will guarantee you if somehow the Panthers stuff up the next few weeks or you guys do and you either have the minor premiership sewn up or 2nd place that none of your main guys are playing in the last round. Walsh, Carrigan, Haas, Reynolds, Capewell, Staggs just to name a few. I firmly believe every single coach would do the same. Having as much rest as possible for your best players is what you want when you have a finals series coming up. Imagine carrigan or haas playing in a meaningless game last round and picking up a head knock. That would be devastating. Eliminate the risk. Frankly the push back from a few here is weird to me. I don't understand it. Maybe is because it's coming from me and because I'm not a supporter. Extremely defensive about the logical approach
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You take things way too seriously.

Coaches believe in momentum. I remember Cleary saying something about it when they won their first premiership and they pretty much only made the changes they had to for about 23 games straight.

The risk is there in any game, injuries can happen in training also so its a fine balance. If you drop so many players its more than possible the side can come back a bit off it or clunky. I just dont see the point in dropping the backbone of your side unless you need to.
 
Wolfie said:
You take things way too seriously.

Coaches believe in momentum. I remember Cleary saying something about it when they won their first premiership and they pretty much only made the changes they had to for about 23 games straight.

The risk is there in any game, injuries can happen in training also so its a fine balance. If you drop so many players its more than possible the side can come back a bit off it or clunky. I just dont see the point in dropping the backbone of your side unless you need to.
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Cleary rested every man and his dog for the last week against us last year when they had the minor premiership in the bag. So there's that. I disagree they believe in the "momentum" of a no win situation in a last round. We won't have an example more than likely this year either because bot you and them won't lose the rest of the way I would imagine.

I know that injuries can happen anytime but when you have very minimal to gain I dont understand why you would put yourself in a situation like that especially with how physical the game is and how stringent the concussion rules are.

I just think you guys have an extreme hatred for Melbourne that is clouding your opinion of the pros and cons. What really does going all out against Melbourne gain if you are secure in your spot? Momentum? Confidence? Your guys don't lack any confidence. You are seeing ghosts from the big 3 days. And if you play them the first week of finals what is the point. What momentum or confidence did the Roosters get by beating Souths last round of last year? They got beaten easily in the first week of finals. If anything you would want your young guys not going overconfident against a rematch in week 1.
 
JayPee said:
Cleary rested every man and his dog for the last week against us last year when they had the minor premiership in the bag. So there's that. I disagree they believe in the "momentum" of a no win situation in a last round. We won't have an example more than likely this year either because bot you and them won't lose the rest of the way I would imagine.

I know that injuries can happen anytime but when you have very minimal to gain I dont understand why you would put yourself in a situation like that especially with how physical the game is and how stringent the concussion rules are.

I just think you guys have an extreme hatred for Melbourne that is clouding your opinion of the pros and cons. What really does going all out against Melbourne gain if you are secure in your spot? Momentum? Confidence? Your guys don't lack any confidence. You are seeing ghosts from the big 3 days. And if you play them the first week of finals what is the point. What momentum or confidence did the Roosters get by beating Souths last round of last year? They got beaten easily in the first week of finals. If anything you would want your young guys not going overconfident against a rematch in week 1.
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I'll guarantee you we wont be dropping all our best players and we shouldnt. If we need to manage them, we need to do it one or two players over the final weeks, not all in one hit. Our system just isnt as well oiled as yet to do it. Penrith last year may have, but they had a well oiled system and they werent doing it previously.
 
JayPee said:
Cleary rested every man and his dog for the last week against us last year when they had the minor premiership in the bag. So there's that. I disagree they believe in the "momentum" of a no win situation in a last round. We won't have an example more than likely this year either because bot you and them won't lose the rest of the way I would imagine.

I know that injuries can happen anytime but when you have very minimal to gain I dont understand why you would put yourself in a situation like that especially with how physical the game is and how stringent the concussion rules are.

I just think you guys have an extreme hatred for Melbourne that is clouding your opinion of the pros and cons. What really does going all out against Melbourne gain if you are secure in your spot? Momentum? Confidence? Your guys don't lack any confidence. You are seeing ghosts from the big 3 days. And if you play them the first week of finals what is the point. What momentum or confidence did the Roosters get by beating Souths last round of last year? They got beaten easily in the first week of finals. If anything you would want your young guys not going overconfident against a rematch in week 1.
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I'd only agree if a) the Minor premiership was sown up. b) it wasn't Melbourne.

The amount of confidence these guys will get from beating Melboue, a team which has hammered us constantly over the past decade by consistasnt 20+ scorelines is a unique proposition.

This win will do wonders for us, and once we're up by a fair margin. I'd imagine our guys will get reduced Minutes. **** not going balls out on Melbourne.

We already have a history of performing poorly after Byes this year anyway, so I don't think the rest is going to be that advantageous consider our bye is so recently.

Agree to disagree.
 
Broncapz said:
I'd only agree if a) the Minor premiership was sown up. b) it wasn't Melbourne.

The amount of confidence these guys will get from beating Melboue, a team which has hammered us constantly over the past decade by consistasnt 20+ scorelines is a unique proposition.

This win will do wonders for us, and once we're up by a fair margin. I'd imagine our guys will get reduced Minutes. **** not going balls out on Melbourne.

We already have a history of performing poorly after Byes this year anyway, so I don't think the rest is going to be that advantageous consider our bye is so recently.

Agree to disagree.
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Fair. I just think it isn't as beneficial. This is a different Broncos team. Full of swag and young guys that don't have the scars of years ago. I dont think it means much to me. I would hope they think they are just better. I think they are.
 
JayPee said:
It is true. Saying it isn't is just a flat out lie. Anybody that thinks not having rest before finals is an idiot. That is being kind.
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Seen it several times over the years game hardened teams overwelm the team that had an easier run .
 
Big Del said:
Seen it several times over the years game hardened teams overwelm the team that had an easier run .
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Can't have been in prelim finals. Team having the week off after winning week 1 barely loses over the years.
 
JayPee said:
Cleary rested every man and his dog for the last week against us last year when they had the minor premiership in the bag. So there's that. I disagree they believe in the "momentum" of a no win situation in a last round. We won't have an example more than likely this year either because bot you and them won't lose the rest of the way I would imagine.

I know that injuries can happen anytime but when you have very minimal to gain I dont understand why you would put yourself in a situation like that especially with how physical the game is and how stringent the concussion rules are.

I just think you guys have an extreme hatred for Melbourne that is clouding your opinion of the pros and cons. What really does going all out against Melbourne gain if you are secure in your spot? Momentum? Confidence? Your guys don't lack any confidence. You are seeing ghosts from the big 3 days. And if you play them the first week of finals what is the point. What momentum or confidence did the Roosters get by beating Souths last round of last year? They got beaten easily in the first week of finals. If anything you would want your young guys not going overconfident against a rematch in week 1.
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I guarantee you he wouldn't have if he had 3 byes in the second half of the season, with the last just two weeks earlier
 
The likely head to head is interesting if both teams are at full strength (I do not include Paps here as he has an injury set back so no guarantee to play):

1. Walsh (Broncos)
2. Coates (Storm) *Caveat - I think Oates and Arthars are already better personally and you all know how much I rate Mariner
3. Staggs (Broncos)
4. Farnworth (Broncos)
5. Cobbo (Broncos)
6. Munster (Storm)
7. Reynolds (Broncos)
8. Haas (Broncos)
9. Grant (Storm)
10. Welch (Storm)
11. Capewell (Broncos)
12. Katoa (Storm)
13. Carrigan (Broncos)

14. Smoothy (Broncos)
15. Hetherington (Broncos)
16. Eisenhuth (Storm)
17. Asofa-Solomona (Storm)

10-7 to Broncos but the Storm and NRL refereeing factor make is 11-10 to Melbourne - we should smash them based on the head to head but those two factors above will mean it will be much closer than it should be. We aren't the Panthers, we don't get a leg up by the refs in these games.
 
JayPee said:
It doesn't matter one little bit if half your team is out of the game. You have to worry about a team mentally if they can't cop a flogging with a C team playing and be "down in confidence" the week after with all their guys back.
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Why put them in that position? It's not necessary.

Kevvie is an optimist, he won't be thinking about people getting injured and neither should he be.
 
JayPee said:
You are just a constant smart ass mate about everything to me. How hard is it to have a civil conversation about a topic without constantly going at me. Ever since I got here.
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I genuinely thought you guys knew each other outside of this forum or from another league forum or something. Turns out Wolfie just loves going in dry eh? Learn something new every day.
 
Manofoneway said:
Tactics. Give the ball to Walsh and watch him discombobulate xavier coates time and time again.
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Deadset. Coates is a huge liability and why noone has constantly targeted him is strange to me
 
Organix said:
Deadset. Coates is a huge liability and why noone has constantly targeted him is strange to me
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He is not a very smart footballer at all. Will never play anywhere else but the wing
 
Mr Fourex said:
Maybe if you didn't come across as a complete fuckstick
a civil conversation could be had......?
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This whole conversation started with me saying it would be organisational malpractice to not rest your players if their position is set. I agree that is totally being a complete "fuckstick". Deadset.
 
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